Talk:Shadow government (conspiracy theory)

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This article is poor in sources and focuses too much on Cooper (about a third of its text does). Dr John Coleman ("The committe of 300") springs to mind as another one of the many well known sources tackling the subject. There's a myriad of authors in the field but I guess you may have stuck to the few ones that have their wikipedia article. There are more academic sources though, for example Carroll Quigley and Antony C Sutton. These have their articles but they are presented as credible, whose caution you apparently dont want to give to this classic "conspiracy theory".88.165.248.121 (talk) 00:41, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Coleman's views on the subject would be considered WP:FRINGE. If there are reliable non-fringe secondary sources discussing Coleman's assertions on the subject, then it is possible that that material could be included. As a primary source, it is unlikely we could include his work. This is likely the same for Quigley and Sutton who, despite being academics, were promulgators of theories involving secret governments. I have one source stating Quigley's "work has been discredited by historians". - Location (talk) 21:48, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Quigley's work has not been discredited. It has been corroborated. The criticism of Quigley's work is that he is making value judgments about the content he is studying. This is unprofessional for academic historians. He is critical of the Cliveden Set for promoting 'appeasement', for instance. It is unbelievable to me that has never been referenced on this subject.

"The early Round Table has been the subject of considerable academic interest. J.R.M. Butler's Lord Lothian (Macmillan, 1960) and Deborah Lavin's From Empire to International Commonwealth: A Biography of Lionel Curtis (Oxford University Press, 1995) are biographies of the two principal founders; Walter Nimocks's Milner's Young Men (Duke University Press, 1968) is a study of the wider group of which they were members. John Kendle's The Round Table Movement and Imperial Union (Toronto University Press, 1975) examines the Round Table's role in the 'Imperial federation' movement; Alex May's D.Phil. thesis, 'The Round Table, 1910-66' (Oxford, 1995) is a more general study of the Round Table and its influence.

A number of views are put forward in Andrea Bosco and Alex May (eds.), The Round Table, The Empire/Commonwealth, and British Foreign Policy (Lothian Foundation Press, 1997). A more critical (though less fully researched) interpretation than any of the above can be found in Carroll Quigley's The Anglo-American Establishment from Rhodes to Cliveden (Books in Focus, 1981)."

The Round Table is the Western world's imperial government. It has a method of consensus generation which determines international political goals concerning, foreign trade and finance, military, diplomatic, and media. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.102.75.235 (talk) 22:35, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
 * What is it that you are arguing for inclusion? - Location (talk) 18:22, 17 August 2015 (UTC)