Talk:Shadow the Hedgehog/Archive 1

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Fancruft. Enthusiastically-written fancruft. ...or is it!

... yep, it is.DS 00:45, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Weak keep Pretty good google results: 10,500 as an exact phrase. Hs been in multiple games and has merchandise. Probably a worthy enough character to have a short article on. Andrew Lenahan - St ar bli nd  01:02, Jan 13, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Notable enough. --Deathphoenix 01:38, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC) Merge and redirect to Shadow the Hedgehog. I didn't know this other article existed. --Deathphoenix 14:38, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep, borderline notability, article could do with cleanup and expansion. Megan1967 01:39, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Shadow the Hedgehog, a more complete article, althoug needing cleanup. JoaoRicardo 03:38, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge (not a lot to merge) and redirect to Shadow the Hedgehog. Andrewa 04:13, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Weak keep Wolfman 04:17, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect to Shadow the Hedgehog. User:Premeditated Chaos 04:58, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Minor game trivia. Delete or merge into appropriate game page.Martg76 23:05, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Wholely redundant to properly named Shadow the Hedgehog. Merged and redirected.  --L33tminion | (talk) 07:37, Jan 15, 2005 (UTC)

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For the love of all that is Wikipedia...
...somebody has to tone this history discussion thing down. This is an encyclopedia, not a forum for you people to have discussions on the game; thus it should only state what IS known about his history from the games, and NOT constantly have "but this theory is false, here's why!"

Also keep all the game information to Shadow the Hedgehog (video game). This is the character page, not an advert for another page. --Shadow Hog 19:30, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Cleanup
I cleaned up the Character analysis section a little. I am still stunned by how much time has been spent trying to dissect the history of a character that represents a dark era in Sonic Team character design from a game series that hasn't had much of a plot to speak of.
 * Will whoever keeps saying Shadow appears to be 15 or 16 please stop putting it back in? While Shadow does appear in his mid-to-late teens (15 - 19), what exact age he appears to be is open to speculation and is definitely not a fact. Anyway, Sonic is 15. --Some girl called Harley.
 * I shortened the introduction and cleaned up the text in the first three sections of the article (Personality, Relationships, and Sonic Adventure 2). I think we can change the cleanup notice now. &mdash;  K i e f e r S k u n k  ( talk ) &mdash; 20:22, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Archived discussion
Here's the text for the Character Analysis section - most of this stuff should be on the discussion page. Since I'm cleaning it up, this seems like a good idea... --Jtalledo (talk) 20:38, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

A popular opinion is that Shadow is an evil clone of Sonic. This is never stated in any of the games. Shadow is the ultimate life form and that he was created by Prof. Gerald Robotnik. His resemblance to Sonic character-wise is a pure coincidence. Sonic is fifteen years old, and Shadow was created approximately fifty years ago, so Sonic could not have been cloned.

The Shadow in Sonic Heroes is revealed to be a robot. There is either the possibility that Shadow was always a robot, or that only his clone was a robot. The Bio-Lizard is organic, and since that is the prototype of Shadow, it follows on to assume that the original Shadow is also organic. Finally, it must be easier to mass-produce artificial Shadows as weapons instead of cloning them. With his skills at mass producing large numbers of robots, its logical that Dr. Eggman used this same technology to mass produce Shadow.

What exactly is the ultimate life form that Gerald Robotnik was working on? We know that the Bio-Lizard (originally codenamed "Shadow") is the prototype and that Shadow himself is an incarnation, but there could exist a mysterious third ultimate lifeform. In Sonic Battle, Rouge tells Shadow that Emerl, the robot that Sonic found, is also know as "The Ultimate Life Form", except he's 4,000 years older than Shadow. Thus, Emerl could be the mysterious third lifeform.

In the speech before his execution at the end of Sonic Adventure 2, Gerald explains how the Ultimate Life Form project was supposed to be for the good of mankind. The military interpreted it as a weapon which led to the attack that killed Maria and supposedly destroyed the Ultimate Life Form. Gerald goes on to claim that, filled with hatred for the military for killing Maria, he completed the Ultimate Life Form based on what he remembered and programmed it to carry out his revenge. He also implores the listener to free it. This speech is quite confusing. We know that Shadow escaped ARK in an escape pod, and that same Shadow was the one freed by Dr. Eggman. But based on his speech, Gerald does not know that Shadow has survived. He would have realised that Shadow had survived if the military had delivered Shadow to him so he could continue his work. It is unknown why would the military continue to allow Gerald to work on Shadow if they already perceived him as a threat.

There are three possible explanations. One is that Shadow is the only true Ultimate Life Form and that the doctor improved Shadow even further after he was captured by the military. Secondly, there is a third, more powerful Ultimate Life Form in existence which has not been discovered. A third possibility is that, the Final Hazard is the true Ultimate Life Form.

Before he was executed, Gerald modified the Bio-Lizard so it could fuse with ARK using Chaos Control and destroy Earth by ramming into it. Sonic and Knuckles "free" the Bio-Lizard when they approach the core of ARK, and the voice of Gerald plays as it is released. The Bio-Lizard was also just a "prototype" of the Ultimate Life Form- an incomplete version. This would leave it open to being improved by Gerald. Finally, by using Chaos Control to fuse with ARK, it is carrying out the mission it was programmed for: to destroy Earth. Seeing that Shadow was not originally programmed to destroy Earth, it is improbable to suggest that his predecessor, the Bio-Lizard, was originally a weapon of destruction, especially considering that the whole Ultimate Life Form project was supposed to bring peace to the world. The only viable explanation is that it was re-programmed by Gerald. The only disproof of this theory is the subtitle of "The Prototype of the Ultimate Life" in the description of the Final Hazard.

Another popular theory is that the Shadow in Sonic Adventure 2, Sonic Heroes, and Sonic Battle is the real, organic Shadow and Metal Sonic used this original Shadow to clone his army. Proof to this theory is that Metal Sonic says "Ultimate Life Form data has been copied" after the Egg Albatross is defeated. Thus, Shadow in Sonic Heroes and Sonic Adventure 2, and therefore the one in Sonic Battle, who has the memories of the one in Sonic Adventure 2, is the real one, as Metal Sonic indirectly implies there that he couldn't copy the Ultimate Life Form data from one of the clones. However, the fake Dr. Eggman (Metal Sonic) tells Shadow that he 'has no past to remember' before he copies the Ultimate Life Form data, although this could just be to throw him and make him think he's a clone, therefore stopping him from realizing that he can warp in time and space. Obviously, Shadow realizing that would be a huge blow to Metal Sonic's plans. Also, why would a normal Shadow clone be kept in a different place to all the others?

Yet another popular theory is that Shadow's memories of Maria are entirely false, and that, in fact, the hedgehog form of Project Shadow never even set foot on Space Colony A.R.K. prior to the events of Sonic Adventure 2. The likely scenario is that, somehow, Gerald was able to continue work on Project Shadow while incarcerated by GUN (as indicated by Sonic X). How, we do not know -- Perhaps they were using the professor for other research purposes and he secretly did the work on the side. Regardless, planning to utilize Shadow for vengeance on GUN and, for that matter, the entire world, the very angry professor would have programmed fabricated memories of Maria and her death into Shadow's subconscious. This theory doesn't quite explain why Shadow had the change of heart he did toward the end of the SA2 story arc, but if anything, it can probably be accredited to emotional mental instability. Of course, many people [supporting this theory] say that since Shadow's memory contained the anger of Prof. Gerald, when he had his change of heart it actually represented Prof. Gerald's inputted anger realizing what was really happenning, and repenting. Also, it should be noted that the story of Sonic Battle cannot be considered canon material without completely disregarding the history laid out by Sonic Adventure 2. There are far too many discrepancies in the story relating to Professor Gerald's journal entries (unlockable by playing through the story a second time) that completely nullify any direct sense of continuity with SA2, where Shadow was created for the purpose of vengeance. Why would Gerald have intentionally programmed the final version of Shadow with a conscience if the very reason it was brought into existence was to destroy the world? The plot holes created by Sonic Battle are simply too large to disregard. Then again, Shadow seems to have his memory back from Sonic Heroes, so Sonic Battle may just have to be thrown out of consideration for plotline.

Lastly, to correct the assupmtions of many fans, there is nothing that states that the Chaos Emerald-empowered Shadow seen at the end of Sonic Adventure 2 is "Hyper Shadow." The proper terminology is Super Shadow, as, according to Sonic 3 and Sonic & Knuckles, a character absorbing all seven Chaos Emeralds is always referred to as "Super" instead of "Hyper", no matter who that character is. "Hyper" is a second stage achieved by absorption of the seven Super Emeralds (powered up forms of the Chaos Emeralds), as seen from Hyper Sonic and Hyper Knuckles in Sonic 3 & Knuckles.

Japanese Backstory
I replaced the entire text of the Japanese Backstory: the Truth About 50 Years Ago with an external link to clean up the article and because it might be a copyright violation - if anyone has any objections, feel free to discuss them here. --Jtalledo (talk) 20:41, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Shadow's history
I deleted this entire section, it was poorly written and contained nothing not said elsewhere in the article. --210.246.47.234 10:44, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Apparently, 68.84.238.235 has a habit of adding such things. --210.246.47.234 10:58, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

He seems to be well informed of Shadow. ProjectShadow

I thought that maybe the "Hedgehog or Machine" section should be deleted, ince it's answered in the spoilers of the games. Shadow is the original; we learn that from Shadow the Hedgehog. If there was a spare robot or clone running around (not the Shadow Android drones) we'd have heard about it by now in Shadow's game. --Some Girl Called Harley

Super Shadow article
Should there be a Super Shadow article like there is a Super Sonic article? I would like to see your opinions in it before I decide to create it. Thanks. --Admiral Roo 17:57, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
 * No, but there should probably be a Super Shadow section in the Super Sonic article. --Shadow Hog 23:05, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Yop he is right, no point of making one, but you can, just do it in a subpage, put the link to the subpage under Super Shadow Header (in this article). and you are telling me there is a page for Super Sonic Article!? got to check that out:D >x<ino 08:24, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
 * That's not Hyper mode. I don't know what that is called (wasn't it Hero Shadow?), but it's not Hyper, that's for sure. --Shadow Hog 14:53, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

"(wasn't it Hero Shadow?) what? what do you mean
 * But if sonic touches uses one chaos emrald, his body goes grey, he can fly, he can breath on water and he his strength has been increase 2x.

So...
 * Sonic can't do chaos control, HE CAN!, but that isn't his style, Shadow's style is Chaos Control
 * So if shadow uses one emerald his Hyper mode, he can use chaos control and stay longer than before, fly just like sonic and his body will go Blue

hey.. you wanna play a game!? we make a bet. i say that is hyper mode you say it isn't. When the game comes out, who ever loses will have to email Sonic Team/Sega a fan mail and ask.. ok!?:D >x<ino 16:29, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

It's Super Shadow. Idiot. Rawr, the people that say it's Hyper Shadow are dumb. Xino, Chaos Control was in SA2, and it had no sign of "Hyper". THE SUPER EMERALDS ARE GONE! FOREVER! <.< Overall, it's Superform. -- Alexie

I really think Shadow is Hyper Shadow, not Super Shadow. But you can never be too sure about which one. --anon
 * Yes you can. You need the Super Emeralds to go Hyper, as seen in S3&K. They aren't in anything BUT S3&K. Therefore, any game Shadow is in doesn't have them, and as of such Shadow only goes Super. Besides, even Shadow calls it his "Super form", in SA2. So it's Super, not Hyper. You really can't back up the "Hyper Shadow" name, anyway... --Shadow Hog 01:58, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

What's S3&K? And when does Shadow say Super form? --anon
 * Sonic & Knuclkes 3
 * Alexie you need to watch it!
 * The people that are dumb are the right people
 * They don't use Super Emeralds again, that is why it hasnt been mentioned in later Sonic Franchise
 * And do you even know what Hyper is? you say there wasn't any sign of hyper, so explain to me what hyper is.
 * And where did you get Super form on?
 * SUPER: Character will have golden skin
 * character will have unlimited powers and strength
 * character needs rings to stay on Super mode
 * character needs 7 chaos emeralds to go on that mode
 * HYPER: character will be extra stronger than original form
 * character can do some things the original can't do, like float, breath under water
 * character skin will be blue, blueish grey (blue + grey!?)
 * character doesn't need 7 chaos emeralds to go on that mode
 * "Therefore, any game Shadow is in doesn't have them, and as of such Shadow only goes Super. :Besides, even Shadow calls it his "Super form", in SA2"
 * I don't recall Shadow calling it Super Form, in Sonic Adventure 2 or Battle 2
 * And what do you mean in any game Shadow is in it doesn't have them. Have what? Super Emeralds? I don't acctaully know how Super Emeralds look like, do you mean Master Emerald or Super.
 * "So it's Super, not Hyper. You really can't back up the "Hyper Shadow" name, anyway... " what are you talking about!? How can you call that Chaos Control move Super!?
 * Anyway, why i call that move Chaos Control in Shadow The Hedgehog game is because
 * In Sonic Adventure 2 & Sonic Heroes
 * When Shadow uses Chaos Control, he freezes time (allowing him to get to his destination in a :matter of sec)
 * He arrives in time, in a matter of sec
 * He can't fly or float in chaos control
 * He needs 1 emerald to activate chaos control
 * But in Shadow The Hedgehog Game
 * When he uses chaos control, he can float, fly
 * When shadow uses chaos control, his body goes blue
 * when he uses chaos control, time moves slow, allowing him to move faster & reach his destination
 * When he uses chaos control he needs 1 emerald to activate it
 * Now all this...to back up my statment
 * I saw some preview of the FMV, during the invasion, of Westropolis, Shadow saw all what was going on, he then teleported using a chaos emerald, they didn't show anything him going blue or what so ever, he just did it in a matter of flash
 * But in the game, when the meter is full, when he activate chaos control, his skin goes blue, he travels by flying, and time moves slow
 * Now do you see the differneces between them, and why it is called Hyper mode!
 * &gt;x&lt;ino 15:32, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
 * No, becuase you never defined why it's called Hyper Mode (which it isn't), just what you're mistaking it for does.
 * Shadow's Chaos powers are not due to any "Hyper mode". As you'd have gathered from the end of Shadow, his Chaos powers are due to (spoiler, select to read) his having Black Doom's blood. Since Black Doom can do Chaos Control and all, Shadow also gets the benefit of that. "Hyper mode" comes directly from the Super Emeralds, which are only seen in Sonic 3 & Knuckles - Black Doom's blood has nothing to do with that.
 * As for the rest of your arguments:
 * You need all seven SUPER Emeralds to go into it; Chaos Emeralds don't enter the equation, and Super Emeralds are not the Master Emerald.
 * Character skin (well, fur) in "Hyper Mode" AND "Super Mode" varies from character to characer; in Sonic's case, he flashes in many colors, while Knux just flashed the same colors that his Super Mode did, which was pink, not gold.
 * You may not recall Shadow mentioning his Super form in the Finalhazard battle, but it was there. Play it a few more times until you hear it. I think you have to run low on rings or just generally take a long time, but I'm not sure what causes the quote to pop up.
 * I never called the Chaos Control move "Super", because the Chaos Control move occurs regardless of one's form. You can do it in your normal form OR your Super form. I wouldn't doubt you could do it in your Hyper form too, but there's been no Hyper form in the same game as Chaos Control.
 * I'm willing to bet the manual for Shadow doesn't mention any "Hyper" forms either - if Chaos Controlling was a "Hyper mode", you'd think Sega'd acknowledge it somewhere, but they haven't. It's not a "Hyper mode", and there's no evidence to say that it is, no matter how much you twist and turn it. You need seven Super Emeralds to go Hyper, and they're only in Sonic 3 & Knuckles, so there is no "Hyper mode" in any game Shadow stars in. Period. --Shadow Hog 19:56, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Define hyper mode!? i just gave you every single reason why it is called that! Super Sonic some of my points are in there
 * "You need all seven SUPER Emeralds to go into it; Chaos Emeralds don't enter the equation, and Super Emeralds are not the Master Emerald. " You still havn't explained what Super Emeralds are! And i was asking to make sure

"Character skin (well, fur)"Fur is a hair, that covers up and protects animal with it's habitate. Sonic doesn't have any fur, nor doesn't other characteratics in Morbuis. Fur is a hair that covers up the skin/body!If you think i am dumb, look at the High defination of Shadow The Hedgehog game, and see if any characters has any hair
 * ""Hyper Mode" AND "Super Mode" varies from character to characer; in Sonic's case, he flashes in many colors, while Knux just flashed the same colors that his Super Mode did, which was pink, not gold." and your point is!? They are both different, Hyper mode and super mode changes the skin colour. If Super makes the skin gold, how come Tails skin turns Gold in Hyper mode?

"I'm willing to bet the manual for Shadow doesn't mention any "Hyper" forms either - if Chaos Controlling was a "Hyper mode", you'd think Sega'd acknowledge it somewhere, but they haven't. It's not a "Hyper mode", and there's no evidence to say that it is, no matter how much you twist and turn it. You need seven Super Emeralds to go Hyper, and they're only in Sonic 3 & Knuckles, so there is no "Hyper mode" in any game Shadow stars in. Period." Why should the manual tell you some stuff for Sonic world? Did Super Metroid Manual tell you about Wall Jump"?. If Sega did acknowledge it, do you think they will mention it everywhere, like how people get confuse with Hyper and Super, they didn't mention anything. OK, you win, but what i am saying is, If Chaos Control, in SA2 & Heroes, when Shadow uses the chaos control, his body doesn't glow blue, or nor he doesnt fly. He just wrap, that is the word Warp through time & space. Anyway, Sega, keep changing the concept &gt;x&lt;ino 21:26, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
 * The Super Emeralds are supercharged Chaos Emeralds. You get all the normal Chaos Emeralds first, then you head to the Hidden Palace where the Master Emerald is, giving them all up so you can obtain their Super counterparts. --Shadow Hog 21:41, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
 * But what does it look like!?
 * &gt;x&lt;ino 01:05, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Like the current Chaos Emeralds do, but much, MUCH bigger. Just not as big as the Master Emerald. --Shadow Hog 03:09, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Just so you hyenas stop yapping, I edited the section on Super Shadow. Thank me later. ~Suphanakori the Hedgehog

Maria in Shadow the Hedgehog
I'm confused about Maria in Shadow the Hedgheog. Wasn't Shadow made after Maria died? Because that's what Professor Gerald said in his diary in SA2. However, in Shadow the Hedgehog, Shadow was apparently created while Maria was still living. It doesn't make sense!--PokeOnic 17:41, 19 March 2006 (UTC) --anon

No!
 * Shadow was made before Maria's death, because that is the whole point, of Shadow crazy!

Professor Gerald's dairy? where did you get that from!?
 * Yes Shadow was created while she was alive, do you think when Shadow was created he was like a baby? he wasn't he was just 15 that time (i think, but i know he wasn't a baby when created)

&gt;x&lt;ino 14:06, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

In Sonic Adventure 2, last story, Professor Gerald writes a computer diary and Rouge plays it for everyone to hear. I remember that after Maria died, he says, "I went mad!" And then said something about creating Shadow for revenge. And I know he wasn't a baby. I think he was created as a 15 yr old hedgehog. If you don't believe me, play SA2 again (if you still have the game like I do). --anon

lol what da hell?, you are now confusing me, you are the one asking, if Shadow was created after Maria's death, i explain, i wasn't sure what age Shadow was created, now you are telling me the age!? lol:P  anyway! "last story, Professor Gerald writes a computer diary and Rouge plays it for everyone to hear. I remember that after Maria died, he says, "I went mad!" And then said something about creating Shadow for revenge." Yes that fool Gerald went mad!, but the creation he meant was Biolizard,
 * He created Shadow, because Shadow can harness chaos emeralds & help people on earth

But he also created Biolizard, because that was his project, but when the GUN took all usless works from him, and mercked Maria, that fool doctor went mad, and did some improvent to that weakling Biolizard &gt;x&lt;ino 02:53, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

But I remember that Gerald said that he created Shadow after Maria's death, not Biolizard. And as for the Shadow-age-thing, I said I think! You don't have to get so mad at me. Can't we just talk about this diplomatically? --anon

i wasn't even mad, do you know what "lol" means
 * and please, state to me exactly what that fool Gerald said

&gt;x&lt;ino 17:24, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

I think lol means lots of love or laugh out loud. And Gerald wrote in his diary (I wrote the whole thing, so it is very, very, long. If you want to skip a lot of details, just read what's written after, "The ARK was shut down under the premise that there had been an accident." By the way, for anyone casually passing by, this is a spoiler for SA2) said, "I don't quite know what happened or what went wrong. Was it a mistake to create the ultimate lifeform? I thought it would be something that would benefit mankind. But then the military guards landed on the colony that day. They were sent to destroy the research project that I had been working on. My colleages at the research facility, my granddaughter, Maria, I hope you are all safe. The colony was completely shut down, probably to keep the prototype from falling into the wrong hands. The ARK was shut down under the premise that there had been an accident. I found Maria's name among those who died when the ARK was shut down. She meant everything to me and I couldn't bear the thought that she died because of my research. I lost everything. I had nothing more to live for...I went insane. All I could think about was to avenge her...somehow, someway. I got scared as I no longer was able to control my thoughts. All I could think about was that I wanted it all to end. Based on my original projections, I was able to complete my project. Shadow. I designed its mind to be perfect, pure. I will leave everything to him. If you wish, release and awaken it, to the world. If you wish to fill the world with destruction..."

As you can see, the GUN soliders were shutting down the facility for making the biolizard (A.K.A. prototype). Shadow was made afterwards, as you can see at the end, "Based on my original projections, I was able to complete my project. Shadow. I designed its mind to be perfect, pure. I will leave everything to him. If you wish, release and awaken it, to the world. If you wish to fill the world with destruction..."

And I'm glad that you weren't mad! --anon


 * No Look. Shadow was incoplete, but still alive. emember how he had all those flashbacks with MARIA. Then, when Maria died, and Gerald reprogrammed Shadow to seek revenge.--PokeOnic 17:41, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Not Encyclopedic
"There, Sonic and Knuckles obtain the "Hyper" title when they power up after empowering all 7 Super Emeralds. In addition, if the final battle goes on for too long, Shadow comments that "[he doesn't] know how much longer [he] can stay in [his] Super form", supporting the "Super Shadow" title. So, since Shadow only uses the Chaos Emeralds and not the Super Emeralds, the "Super" title is correct while the "Hyper" title is not.

It also should be noted that on the Sonic Adventure 2 disc, his model and skin files are named "Super" Shadow."

This whole thing sounds like an argument and therefore, not encyclopedic. If you want to mention that people usually call Shadow "Hyper Shadow" instead of "Super Shadow", don't make a big thing out of it. --anon
 * There's nothing "usual" about it; people usually use "Super" for his Super form. --Shadow Hog 01:24, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

what is this about now! I though we finished this talk about hyper & super
 * There isn't anymore Hyper form! if hyper still exist, it should be in atleast a recent sonic game!

What game came after Sonic and Knuckles 3? the game that came after it, if it had hyper in it, then hyper still exist in Sonic world, but since no hyper hasn't being mentioned in after S&K3 then hyper is no more!  Yes, and people do call "Hyper" hyper shadow, &gt;x&lt;ino 03:14, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

What I'm trying to say is that the whole thing sounds like an argument. When you talk about Sonic and Knuckles, you get off the Shadow subject. And when you stay stuff about "in addition", it sounds like you're giving reasons why Super Shadow is not actually Hyper Shadow. It's all true, but it's not sounding encyclopedic. --anon

wait, are you refering this quote, from this article?
 * And you are saying it isnt right it's an argument

 you are right, i have just read it!, it doens't relate or talk about anything to do with Super Shadow, it does sound like an argument! "Super Shadow" suppose to talk about, his appearnces, abilies & powers, and correct saying(which is either Hyper Shadow or Super Shadow, which has been done!)
 * I am thinking we should create an article, for Super Shadow, and link it to Super Sonic.

Or in Super Sonic Article, a section should be their about Super Shadow Or maybe we can just add more information to this article in the Super Shadow section, information about his ability & Powers, not only about the Correct Saying(which was talking about hyper mode & super mode) &gt;x&lt;ino 04:18, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Actually, somewhat surprisingly, there is a Super Shadow article already... or was until 16:20 UTC 9/27/05 (check the history). --Shadow Hog 04:23, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

was there? are you sure? because it redirects to Super Sonic, and Shadow Article:P
 * maybe the "there was" a super shadow article, it must have been that fool, that wanted a Super Shadow article, scroll up:P

&gt;x&lt;ino 06:10, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

If you saying that I want a Super Shadow article, you're wrong. All I said was that it sounded like an argument and therefore, not encyclopedic. --anon

not to you,
 * Yes i am 100% on your side, that Super Shadow section, does sound like an arugment

&gt;x&lt;ino 05:42, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Oh, okay. And thank you for agreeing with me! --anon

Special Forms
When shadow turns gold he's super shadow, when he glows blue he's hero shadow, and when he glows red hes dark shadow. Chaos control is an intstant warp when you're shadow but when your hero shadow it is a full power speed burst that does 50% damage to the enemies you pass.

Also think, if light is faster than sound and shadows are faster than light (see shadow article) than shadow is fater than sonic. (sonic=sound)

And your point is...
 * Shadow is stronger than Sonic, but Sonic is faster than Shadow..

Because Shadow is a Cyborg/ Android/ Lifeform..but his creator/Master created him to also harnest the Emeralds...
 * Sonic is a true Hedgehog, which means All Hedgehog in Morbuis are fast runners

But Sega, never get their factes straigth, they made Shadow & Sonic, there speed to match each other.
 * Doctor Gerald, also created Shadow to be the strongest
 * Chaos Blast
 * Doctor Gerald also created Shadow to be the fastest running Living creature, because he knows Hedgehogs are the fastest runners
 * Chaos Control
 * In STH, they made Shadow more menacing, by his chaos blast, which makes him strong, chaos control which also makes him the fastest.

In SOnic.NeXt.Gen (SNG). Sega made sonic, super fast, stronger on Eggman's robot. And the unstopable creature has Super Sonic:P &gt;x&lt;ino 00:58, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Vandal
this article has been badly vandaled, on fools that havn't got unexpreince with articles
 * They mess up the article with the "Quotes".

The quotes suppose to be, quotes that Shadow uses all the time
 * This fools are just crammy every sentence Shadow say

&gt;x&lt;ino 17:00, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

when i get back from college, i will swipe out all info accept the varuable ones, at the "Quote" Section, because it has been badly vandalise, they just pack all dailog Shadow used in Sonic Titles &gt;x&lt;ino 08:51, 9 December 2005 (UTC)


 * They do the same things for every character, we should clear everyone's quotes

Super Shadow
I got some pictures of Super Shadow
 * So i was wondering, if this old ss pic, needs updating

&gt;x&lt;ino 18:39, 16 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Hmmm, tell ya what'd be good, if we could get a picture of Super Shadow from the FMV at the end of Shadow the Hedgehog. --Zikar 20:49, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Yea, but, i havn't play Shadow The Hedgehog game, and i don't want no spoilers:P &gt;x&lt;ino 20:51, 16 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Well, I didn't mean like, a spoiler image, but there's a well wicked FMV with him at the end ;) --Zikar 20:59, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Well, it seems like you are trying to spoil it now:P Anyway, you try and get the image &gt;x&lt;ino 15:10, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Super Shadow, the only way to get his picture is by, playing the Last Story, and using my picture camera phone, to take it and upload it here
 * But the design is still the same has of SA2, but the FMV makes him look flexible & cool:P
 * &gt;x&lt;ino 18:26, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm just wondering, but how do you take pictures of the game? Because whenever I take a picture, you can see the lines in it. --anon

I know, it happens, you have to redirect the phone away for some few secs and direct it back before the lines reappear
 * &gt;x&lt;ino 20:47, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Actually, what's a picture phone? All I have is a camera. --anon

Do the same to the camera...just try and make it work:P
 * &gt;x&lt;ino 02:16, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Can't find one much better than this http://i1.tinypic.com/ojjf3k.jpg

MY G0D! That is so damn c00l, THANKS!:P
 * &gt;x&lt;ino 01:49, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Now that we have the greate picture... We need the Super Shadow section...that section can't go under Super Sonic because it's about Sonic. Unless the section goes under Chaos Emerald. Which explains what the 7 emeralds do when combined and charge which transform the character to Super. The Super Shadow can also go under this article
 * &gt;x&lt;ino 03:24, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Does this mean...
When Shadow says, "Goodbye Shadow the Hedgegog..." doea this mean that this is the last we will see of Shadow?--WitchesBrew82 14:42, 17 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Doubt it, my guess it's a mistranslation from Sonic Adventure 2's "Sayonara, Shadow the Hedgehog." and simply means that Shadow is leaving behind who he was to start over a new life. --Zikar 15:08, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Yea, and it's just a metaphor:P &gt;x&lt;ino 15:10, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Actually, Shadow is saying goodbye to his past and starting over, as Zikar said. --anon

Because he was a fool before:P &gt;x&lt;ino 11:16, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

How was he? --anon

He was by being a fool:P
 * &gt;x&lt;ino 00:54, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

And I'm guessing that Sonic was a fool, too? --anon

Confusions Between Sonic and Shadow
Shadow the Hedgehog is often wrongly applied to Sonic the Hedgehog. --ZachKudrna18@yahoo.com
 * 1. Huh? 2. So? tregoweth 18:53, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Sonic Riders
I don't know how to upload pictures, but I have a different pic of Shadow in Sonic Riders http://tinypic.com/jtqhpl.jpg

That picture is alright, but let's stick to the Official Artwork
 * But we might use that picture for the Sonic Riders article
 * &gt;x&lt;ino 18:24, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

This one is real http://i1.tinypic.com/nmmbz4.jpg

hmmm..we might need that picture
 * Because the official artwork we got is quite small. So this seems like a perfect one

Well we will replace the old picture with this one:P
 * ">x<ino out" &gt;x&lt;ino 18:41, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Super Shadow
Where is the Super Shadow article?
 * &gt;x&lt;ino 20:46, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

It's gone. But if you created another Super Shadow article and look at the history page, you can see it. Of course, it would be pointless to make a Super Shadow article and not have much stuff in it. But you can if you put enough info in it! --anon

I can put some more notes in it
 * But i don't know if i should create a Super Shadow article on its own, or with Shadow the Hedgehog or [[Shadow the Hedgehog (video game)]
 * &gt;x&lt;ino 10:10, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Created the Super Shadow section!
 * &gt;x&lt;ino 04:58, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Don't delete the Notable Appearances Section
what are you talking about suker!?
 * You stated don't delete that section, yet you are the one that changed the name.

Anyway, that section seems to be a waste, they are not similarities nor Appearances, they are actually meant to be it, for example that desert Eagle Shadow was holding wasn't similar to the Desert Eagle, because it is exactly the gun and it suppose to be the same Desert Eagle.


 * And that section doesn't belong to the Shadow The Hedgehog Article, it belongs to the Shadow The Hedgehog (video game) Article
 * &gt;x&lt;ino 13:05, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Spoiler!?
Can some one tell me why there is spoiler section in this article!?
 * For godsake, this is Shadow The Hedgehog Article, all information is about him, it can't be a spoiler, if it's a game about Sonic and consist of Shadow then that is a spoiler

It's like me doing an article on Micheal Jackson, i was one of the kid that visited his house, and actually added some description about his house (inside)
 * Now...are you going to tell me that is a spoiler!?

First of all...the Article begins explaining Shadow's Personality, after that it then leaps to a Spoiler about his history, appearnce...what the hell!? There was a spoiler Warning for Shadow The Hedgehog Video Game in the Plot Summaries, which was added by Shadow Hog, that section was ok, because it actually reveals info about the game which doesn't relate to Shadow himself(which i try deleting and that suker ShadowHog reverts it). That was a real spoiler and I don't know why it was moved after the Personality.
 * You visitors/ fans of Sonic Titles/related and Wiki Members, your edits just doesn't make sense to me sometimes
 * &gt;x&lt;ino 01:25, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Because the article tells major plot points in games, most of the article is spoilers

Yes The article, tells info about the game, but it tells the story, because the information is about Shadow, and so if Shadow was in a game, then it concerns him, which have to be added

You won't understand,
 * If you do an article, on George Bush, because some part of him, like childhood info is inside, will you call that a spoiler warning!?

Like I said before, the information based in the game that are added to this article, belongs to the game article itself, so it won't cross between a Spoiler. Because an article containing someone's biography can never be a spoiler!
 * It's alright for the Spoiler to be there, but if it's a spoiler for the games, then, the spoiler should start from Plot summaries ending at Japanese backstory: The truth about 50 years ago. Because I don't understand why the damn spoiler is ending at Fan reaction.

So... you are telling me, Other appearances: Sonic X is a spoiler!?
 * &gt;x&lt;ino 17:00, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Well, for example, let's say you never played the Shadow the hedgehog game, and then saw the info about Shadow and Black Doom. Wouldn't that spoil the game for you? --anon

What are you talking about!?
 * If you havn't played the game, and saw some info regarding Shadow/Black Doom.

That is not a spoiler, because just because the fool who hasn't played the game, we should set it out has a spoiler for that person. You don't seem to understand, if their is an autobiography about you, nothing can never be a spoiler! This article is all about Shadow, and what ever concerns him, the info goes in!
 * Infact, i might change the spoiler
 * &gt;x&lt;ino 09:05, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Well, for one thing, Shadow is fictional, meaning he can't actually read his own biography and know what's going to happen next. I'm trying to say that if you didn't know that Shadow was (spoiler for anyone casually reading this) part of Black Doom and read it, that would spoil the game. --anon

Alright then..no problem, I have only added the spoiler to the games alone
 * &gt;x&lt;ino 18:12, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

But what about Sonic X? I didn't watch that episode yet, and now, I know that (spoiler) Molly's going to die. --anon

Theme Songs
Isn't the other songs, like Chosen One, Waking Up, etc. Shadow's theme song? I Am all of Me doesn't play all the time. It could just be the game's theme song (i.e. Sonic Heroes is Sonic Heroes). --anon

All of those songs are Shadow's theme songs. They all play at the end of the game, depending on which ending you reach. "All of Me" was the song used in the trailers.


 * It's also the general Themesong of the game Shadow the Hedgehog. (Oh andit's called I am (All of Me))

Shadow's Abilities

 * I edited the details on Shadow's weapons in Shadow the Hedgehog (video game) and condensed it to just say that he can use weapons. The details themselves (Omochao gun, Shadow Rifle etc) are more suited to going into the article on Shadow's game. I'm doing that right now. --Some girl called Harley.

Yea..I dunno why they deleted it in the first place. The first edit on it was poor, and I deleted wasteful information. Then someone from r0hAn edited it and deleted the Weapon section. From your edit, I will move the section to it's right place.
 * &gt;x&lt;ino 01:42, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

New Topic: Relationships
I noted that while the the topics on Shadow's part in gamesgive good accounts of the storyline, they don't really have anything on his relationships - read; varying levels of hatred. I put in Shadow's associations with the other Sonic characters. --Some Girl Called Harley.

Not many people or SEGA has revealed Shadow's love life. Like before he is and always a nuetral. The only person Shadow ever love is Maria
 * &gt;x&lt;ino 23:28, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Not exactly. According to the Shadow the Hedgehog booklet, Maria is like a sister to him. It is unconfirmed whether he actually loves her as well, though.

Also, this article has the possibility to be in the good article section (or be a featured article), but it needs references and external links. Couldn't we add some? And this article also needs a CVG peer review (or whatever it was called). --anon