Talk:Shagrat

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Was he an Uruk? According to the Encyclopedia of Arda he is, but in Orc it says that:


 * Gorbag and Shagrat, during the conversation which Sam overheard, mention the "Great Siege" of the Last Alliance. From the sentence it becomes clear they were there, and actually remembered it themselves: an event which lay millennia in the past.

If he remembers the Great Siege, then he cannot be an Uruk. Is EoA wrong, or is it a contradiction? Ausir 18:18, 4 Apr 2004 (UTC)


 * Uruk-hai is just Black Speech for Orc people (Uruk and Q. Orko are related) -- so he may very well have been called an Uruk even if he was not of the newer breed. It is probably best to describe him as an Orc however. Anárion 07:24, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)