Talk:Shahzada Dawood

Date of Birth for Shahzada Dawood
DOB has not been confirmed as we have conflicting information online from not so credible sources. There seems to be a consensus for the year 1975. However, the dates of February 12 and December 31 are unverified and cannot be found pre-2022. For the time being, it would be best practice to leave this out of the article. Usedbook (talk) 21:12, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: First DOB entered into article was February 12. User Nicholas john stabile changed this to December 31 which remained in the article for a lengthy amount of time but this user has now been banned for disseminating misinformation on Wikipedia. Usedbook (talk) 21:23, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
 * WP:DOB applies here. For a date to be included, it must be widely published in reliable sources. I imagine that, given the current events unfolding, a date will be confirmed in reliable sources in the coming days. Until then, any unverified or poorly-sourced dates added should be removed.-- Ponyo bons mots 22:15, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Agreed and thank you for providing the WP:DOB protocol. We can refer people to this talk page for clarity should this become an issue. Usedbook (talk) 23:58, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Date of birth confirmed as February 1975 as per UK government website. Usedbook (talk) 20:08, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
 * These websites use user-generated information, the information submitted is not vetted. See this discussion, for example. The corporate registration websites can verify whether a corporation exists and its status, but they do not vet the personal statistics (e.g middle names, DOBs) submitted.-- Ponyo bons mots 20:38, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Understood, thank you for pointing this out. I will remember this for future reference when vetting and citing my sources. Cheers. Usedbook (talk) 21:34, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
 * February 12, 1975, as per New York Times Usedbook (talk) 15:58, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 June 2023
Add his name in urdu language in the lead

2400:ADC1:477:8500:608D:A11D:9714:9B20 (talk) 12:03, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ – robertsky (talk) 15:11, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

He is presumably dead as they lost oxygen at approximately 7:08 EST
Maybe add that Matthew Campbell (talk) 14:09, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
 * We need to wait for reliable sources to make that call. GorillaWarfare (she/her • talk) 14:26, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
 * @GorillaWarfare yes 111.88.209.241 (talk) 20:16, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 June 2023 (2)
2600:4040:A5B8:EB00:4DA9:9B4:368D:880B (talk) 19:16, 22 June 2023 (UTC) According to The company’s Twitter page, he is presumed to be dead
 * Pictogram voting wait.svg Already done Tollens (talk) 19:23, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Date of Death for Shahzada Dawood - June 18
The date of death shall be changed from 22 june to 18th june as the submarine disappeared on 18th june, also on the Wikipedia pages of other people who boarded the submarine the date of death is 18th june. 2407:D000:D:FB80:F10D:49FE:50D2:B914 (talk) 20:26, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Agreed. The last known communication from the Titan occurred 1 hour and 45 minutes after starting its descent in the morning of June 18, 2023. This is evidently the most likely time mark for the implosion. Usedbook (talk) 23:41, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Meaning? creating collective change by building interactive spaces for formal and informal learning.
….The Dawood Foundation (TDF), which focuses on creating collective change by building interactive spaces for formal and informal learning.

what does this mean? Rustygecko (talk) 21:49, 22 June 2023 (UTC)


 * The Dawood Foundation's mission is to promote positive social creation of interactive spaces for formal and change through the informal learning.
 * Formal learning refers to structured education, such as attending school or university. Informal learning, on the other hand refers to learning that takes place outside of a formal educational setting. Such as through workshops, mentorship programs or community events. Rejoy2003(talk) 12:38, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Date of death
Has it been confirmed, for sure, that they were killed on June 18th or is it just the most likely date? 173.206.152.38 (talk) 02:18, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Now he's dead?
Yesterday, as I changed his status from "missing" to "death" as IT WAS IMPOSSIBLE TO SURVIVE MORE THAN 4 DAYS IN THAT SUB-SEA VEHICLE, I got warned by the editors and they instead kept the "is" and "has" particles... Now he is DEAD??? How do you know that? His body hasn't been found. I believe we should call him as a "missing" person. Because obviously, as for the Wikipedia editors, he can survive without oxygen. Thus he can survive the blast and water pressure as well. Maybe he got out before the blast, huh? Swam to a remote island? Maybe still lurking underwater feeding on fishes and crabs? So here's my suggestion: He is missing. Not dead. hnnvansier (talk) 07:49, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 June 2023
Please change “died alongside Three others” to “died alongside Four others” 80.42.30.151 (talk) 17:34, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

❌ The sentence says Dawood and his 19-year-old son, Suleman, died alongside three others. All 5 people are therefore correctly listed. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:37, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Age of daughter
Alina Dawood was born in 2006. Her age is 17. Please correct and establish this. 184.147.140.179 (talk) 22:43, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
 * We don't mention an age for her anywhere in this article. Where did you see this issue? If the issue is on a Google search, then Google needs to fix it. Joseph2302 (talk) 22:47, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Was Suleman eager to go?
The article said he was eager to go, because his mom said so. She gave up her seat for him.

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-66016160

But you know, Well she would, wouldn't she?.

https://www.businessinsider.com/titanic-sub-teen-victims-family-give-conflicting-accounts-motivations-dawood-2023-6?international=true&r=US&IR=T

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/titanic-submersible-shahwood-suleman-family-tragedy-rcna90678 Polygnotus (talk) 23:58, 30 January 2024 (UTC)