Talk:Shambhala/Archive 1

Recent Edits
I removed much of the recent edits. The Kalachakra article deals with the origins of that tradition. User:Sylvain1972 19:30, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Starting new page
I'd like help from all at this page because the Shambala kingdom is based upon the Kalachakra and at Kalachakra, backstabbing and wonton vandalism is the norm. I need people to watch my back when I'm out cold and can vouch for my safety against cowardly attacks from in back. Come on over to New Kalachakra and let's roll. I need to send a message to the vandals that the game is over now.Geir Smith 17:26, 7 March 2006 (UTC)


 * You are the vandal Geir. You have no idea how wikipedia works. You label changes minor edits that are not minor at all. You write long passages in broken English that are incomprehensible to anyone but yourself. You have been forthright about your intention to use wikipedia as a venue for publishing original research, regardless of the fact that that is expressly forbidden. Your decision to start an article called "New Kalachakra," which you will presumably treat as an avenue to publish whatever you want, is a perfect example of your total disregard for the conventions of wikipedia. Sylvain1972 19:38, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Another film
There's a recent sci-fi film starring Jude Law that ventures into Shambhala. The actual title escapes me at the moment, but it's worth adding to the humble list already there.

The movie is "Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow", http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0346156/. User:AnthonyWong 14:29, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Another book
The book "Frost of Heaven" by Jonius Podrug follows the central characters as they search for the secret valley of Shambala, hidden somewhere in the Himalayas, and is worth adding to the list. You can read a plot synopsis from Publisher Weekly at Amazon, using the following link: http://www.amazon.com/Frost-Heaven-Junius-Podrug/dp/0812555058.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 192.236.20.43 (talk) 23:41, 28 February 2007 (UTC). Is this article still consired a stub? Seems pretty complete to me.
 * I agree. Removing stubs.

Funny stuff
This stuff is awfully sketchy and looks like it's either fiction or gross exaggeration:

''Beginning in the 1960s, various occult writers have sought to explain the evil of Nazism by suggesting Adolf Hitler tapped into the malevolent forces of Shambhala when he sent Ahnenerbe researchers to Tibet to measure Tibetan skulls as part of his master race justifications. In Neo-Nazi mysticism, Shambhala is sometimes supposed to be the place to which Hitler fled after the fall of the Third Reich. Hitler was known to have an interest in the myth of Shambhala and in "eastern mysticism" generally, from which he appropriated the swastika. It is also believed that Josef Stalin organized an expedition to find Shambhala.''

If this is merely stated as the opinion of "various occult writers", then it should really be stated who they are. I'm deleting until some verification is provided. RandomCritic 05:30, 26 May 2006 (UTC)


 * The following articles discuss some such notions about Shambhala: http://www.berzinarchives.com/web/en/archives/advanced/kalachakra/shambhala/nazi_connection_shambhala_tibet.html http://www.berzinarchives.com/web/en/archives/advanced/kalachakra/shambhala/mistaken_foreign_myths_shambhala.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.17.60.126 (talk) 18:05, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Latitude or longitude?
In the Berzin Archives the location given for Shambhala by Sándor Kőrösi Csoma is between 45' and 50' north "longitude", not "latitude" as written in the article. Which one is correct? 118.168.26.118 (talk) 17:29, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Accuracy
An anonymous editor added the following to the page (it sounds like nonsense). Does anyone know about the accuracy of the article?  D b f i r s   22:21, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * EDIT: Inacurate information above.

Sounds like fantasy to me, although the nazis obviously were inspired by the Shambhala legend for their 1000-year empire. rudy (talk) 00:38, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Please Note: History is written by the victor.
 * The inacuracies regarding Agartha and Shambhala are that they are two different places established from an ancient race that divided in two, it is the way of evil to masquerade as good, and therefore deface the idiology of good by confusing it with evil, in doing so bad will can be projected upon the enemy of evil, this is true in regard to scientific proof of mind over matter, the reason I point this out in regard to the confusion of Agartha and Shambhala being the same place, is that one of them has a nazi connection wherein Hitler commisioned Himmler to travel to Tibet and contact the 'Order Of The Green Hand' to attempt to find one of the many entrances to Shambhala, many of the Tibetan 'Order Of The Green Hand' (keepers of the sleeping dragon) where found dead in germany after world war two, and such esoteric knowledge required in the construction of Vril craft or 'Foo' where gleaned from these keepers of the ancient peoples.

A film
Shamballa is also in the Japanese anime film, Fullmetal_Alchemist_the_Movie:_Conqueror_of_Shamballa. Jonti swe talk 09:47, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Chapter 4
This paragraph appears complete nonse to me; the Kalachakra tantra actually describes Shambhala to be North of India. Considering the reference is a book from 1860, reversal of facts and building a whole new myth based on the false facts is not uncommon. rudy (talk) 00:38, 12 January 2009 (UTC) I have taken the liberty to remove this chapter as it misinterprets the Kalachakra tantra and makes references to articles that talk about something quite different, merely on the basis that the words 'Sambali' and 'Shambhala' may look alike a bit. That is not a way to build a sensible encyclopedia... rudy (talk) 14:39, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Shambhala trivia
I suggest this section either be removed altogether - or given a separate heading which could be accessed through the Shambhala disambiguation page. I would appreciate any comments or other suggestions readers may have. Thanks, John Hill (talk) 11:09, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd be worried about a resulting creation/deletion cycle for a trivia page. Once spun out it would have a higher chance of deletion then recreation, ad nausium, without really improving the quality of it... My suggestion would be a simple search for notability on each item and add citations. But I don't mean notability of the source content that references Shambhala, I mean notability of the item's shambhala connection and citations that specifically talk about shambhala in reference to that item. If it meets that litmus test then keep it, otherwise pitch it. And rewrite the result in prose with hidden html comments and completely uninteresting 'rubbish-info' from my point of view. With other pages, I've see this kind of material removed without hesitation... rudy (talk) 22:52, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, I'm ready to nuke the whole section. Is there anything in particular worth saving? The only comment in that section I think is worth moving into the article is a discussion between Shambhala and Shangri La and what their suspected relationship and why. It might be possible to move tidbits to other articles, when the trivia item has an article already. For example, the Apache code name could be moved to that article and that article could link back here. We could then slowly move things out line by line as well so it's not a shock for casual readers when it starts dissolving. - Owlmonkey (talk) 19:59, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

You know, one more thing that bothers me about the trivia section is that the trivia tends to end up on the article where it is least relevant. For example, the Lost Horizon mention is currently here but there is no mention of shambhala at all on the current Lost Horizon article. Why is it more relevant and notable here than to the book, which claims to have been inspired by and based on the myths described on this article? It's the same with The Shadow (fictional character), Prometheus (comics), Doctor Strange doesn't even have an article yet, nor 2000 AD (comic), etc. They're mentioned here but shambhala is not mentioned on those articles. It seems if these really were notable relationships between this subject and those then at least some reference to shambhala would exist on those articles first. But instead we see the trivial mention on the article that it probably is the least relevant to. thank you all, i needed to complain about that for a second. - Owlmonkey (talk) 02:45, 2 May 2008 (UTC)


 * The "Shangri-La" page needs to add this. The Shadow originally received his powers in India, not Tibet or Shambhala--somebody was going by the recent movie starring one of the Baldwin brothers. For Dr. Strange try "Stephen Strange"--however the location of his master's ashram was only vaguely hinted to be Tibet (later made explicit, but the geographic details are contradictory anyway), not Shambhala. Dawud (talk) 00:24, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Shamballa the religion?
The 33rd episode (entitled "Spirits of the Dead") of "A Haunting" (a TV series documentary which dramatizes real life stories of people whose houses are haunted) features a spiritualist who is a practitioner of a Shamballa religion. Is this a sect of Buddhism or a separate religion? Either way, it would be helpful if this page and/or the disambiguation page distinguishes this usage from the name of the city. --24.115.81.138 (talk) 06:05, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Mandala picture from Sera Monastery
Given that the Shambhala story ties so uniquely with the Shambhala Buddhist lineage in America, I feel the use of the mandala from the Sera Monastery might not be the best resource (given the current controversy over recognized teachings/teachers). I think a suitable alternative photo should be found. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.176.173.237 (talk) 06:31, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

"We are told"
In the Western Receptions section it says, "(The Mahatmas, we are told, are also active around Shigatse and Luxor.)" Who is told this? This looks to be copy-pasted from another article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.169.251.183 (talk) 16:44, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Balkh Theory
"French Buddhist Alexandra David-Néel associated Shambhala with Balkh in present day Afghanistan".

Anyone know why this has been removed from the article? 1Z (talk) 19:35, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Shamballa History.

Around 70,000 BC a city was founded o the shores of an inland sea now occupied by the Gobi Desert by a great Master. Vaisvata Manu. The purpose of the city was to found the new great Fifth root race. This race is now the predominant race on earth. The third root race features black skin and short very curly hair, they occupied Lemuria (Pacific Ocean) and now occupy Africa. The fourth root race occupied Atlantis (destroyed circa 9500 BC) and South and North America as Indians and they also occupy Asia at present. Features red or yellow skin and long straight hair, black eyes. This city Shamballa, also known as the City Of The Bridge occupied an island in the sea and was connected to the mainland by a bridge. The city was cyclopean, enormous stones larger than that at Karnac were used. The building were replete with huge white domes of white marble and inlaid with gold. It had a central temple form which four streets radiated. (1) The Master formed the fifth root race as several sub races in valleys near the city. Around that time the first sub race of the fifth root race was formed and migrated to India. The had white skins, browm black eyes and long hair.Some remnants are the Brahmins. Then the second sub race of the fifth root race was formed and the migrated to Arabia and Egypt, forming Arabs and Jews. Then the third sub race the Iranian, migrated and formed Persia, now dominated by Arabs. The fourth sub race emanated and settled in Europe, occupying Ireland, Scotland and Italy- the Kelts. Then the fith sub race of the fifth root race was formed, these emigrated to Scandinavia, Germany etc. Features blue eyes and blond hair. Both the sixth subrace and the great Sixth root race are in the process of formation. (1)

So tremendous was the the destruction caused by a 200 mile long asteroid that hit the Atlantic ocean in around 9500 BC that it  destroyed Poseidon (2), a remnant of Atlantis, that even Shamballa experienced violent earthquakes and was destroyed, now covered with desert sand.

1. Annie Beasant and C.W Leadbeater, Man: Whence, How and Whither. Theosophical Publishing House Madras 1971. 2. Otto Heinrich Muck, F. (Bradley translation.) The Secret Of Atlantis. Times Books, ISBN 978-0-671-82392 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.228.216.32 (talk) 00:42, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

Modern References
The maintainers of this page may or may not be interested in this poetic reference to the Shambhala Prophecy.

http://www.michaelsharp.org/shambhala-warriors/

Mike Sosteric PhD 12:46, 2 December 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dr.Sosteric (talk • contribs)

the wiki is truly hilarious
>Among other things, in a secret laboratory affiliated with the secret police, Bokii and Barchenko experimented with Buddhist spiritual techniques to try to find a key for engineering perfect communist human beings.

l-lolwhat — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.154.66.240 (talk) 01:19, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

Shambhala/Hollow Earth
Deleted "hidden somewhere in Hollow Earth" from the introduction. According to Tibetan buddhist teachings, where the word Shamballa originates, it is not a physical place. All other theories are speculation.

According to the Dalai Lama (during the 1985 Kalachakra initiation in Bodhgaya): "Although those with special affiliation may actually be able to go there through their karmic connection, nevertheless it is not a physical place that we can actually find. We can only say that it is a pure land, a pure land in the human realm. And unless one has the merit and the actual karmic association, one cannot actually arrive there."

According to Alexandre Saint-Yves d'Alveydre the legendary city that is said to be located in the Earth's core is Agartha. Under "Connections to mythology" the confusion between Shamballa and Agartha is mentioned: Agartha (this version) --Julius Civilis (talk) 09:18, 25 August 2016 (UTC)