Talk:Shandy

The "Spezial"
That German beverage is marketed by Coca-Cola as a pre-made soda under the name "Mezzo Mix". Is it worth adding this to the article? 188.60.225.167 (talk) 18:39, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Australia
The comments about lemonade in Australia are wrong, with no evidence to support them. Lemonade in Australia is just lemonade. Lemon squash (or "pub squash" is different).

Turbo
Hi. Noted there wasn't a page for Turbo Shandy on Wikipedia so I created one which redirects here. As this article already mentions it I thought it better than creating a new article.


 * Folks, what about Lime_and_lager? --tickle me 18:08, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
 * "Weißbier mixed with cola is called a "Neger," the German word for Negro."

I think this is not true! A mix of Cola and Beer is called "Diesel" (like the oilstuff) or simply Colabier. I Never heard of a drink called Neger!!!
 * I agree, I've never heard of a beer in Bavaria called a "Neger." This might be an odd local (or locale) name only. I've always seen a cola and weissbier mix in Bavaria as a Diesel or colabier.
 * I got the name off a site listing mixed beer drinks. Flieger is said to be used in Rheinland and Neger was said to be used in Bavaria, so I included them for completeness. If I find any other local terms I would include them and quote the locales where it is common. If it is deemed a racist term, then I will remove it.

I debate the use of Zima as a "Shandy", since I think it is inappropriate, and there are no beverages listed as examples of malt beverage shandys. Hotspur.

I'm a bit ambivilent about Zima being classified as a shandy, but it's an example of a flavored beer-based beverage, which is, in a broad sense, what a shandy is. It's not actually identified as a shandy, per se, in the article, merely as an example of a flavored beer sold in the USA.
 * I always thought the German word for a black person was schwartzer. Not that that I'm a German language expert...

I don't think that simply being a racist term should cause "neger' to be removed, if indeed it is a term for a type of shandy, but if it IS offensive, it should be noted as such. Tubezone 05:13, 7 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Why would "neger" be a racist term? Negro is not racist in English, is it? Mikebe 13:21, 7 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, the word negro really isn't used much in US English anymore to refer to black folks. Whether neger is offensive is a good question, I guess it depends on how the word is used in German. neger does translate to negro, but is sounds like a far worse English language word! IOW, perhaps a false cognate?? Tubezone 23:53, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

I've heard it called a "lady's beer," but I don't know if it's well-known enough to put on the page. Graymornings 02:35, 8 September 2007 (UTC)


 * My memory of a shandy ordered in an English pub was that it was always a beer/ginger beer mix. Then suddenly ginger beer disappeared from the shelves, and Seven-up was offered instead. The postwar American influence. Perhaps that was where the appellation "lady's beer" came from. JohnClarknew (talk) 03:30, 29 April 2008 (UTC)


 * My impression was certainly also that ginger beer + beer was the traditional recipe, with fizzy-lemonade creeping into use only recently as a surrogate for ginger beer. I do, however, remember Shandy Bass tins that my parents bought (in the UK) in the seventies for picnics; both ginger beer and lemonade versions were available. 84.215.6.188 (talk) 18:53, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Further: I doubt "shandygaff" as anything but a general, possibly dialect, alias; I have never encountered it in the UK vernacular, least of all as a special term for the ginger-beer version. 84.215.6.188 (talk) 19:11, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

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POV comment redacted
I have removed a statement (struck below) from the lead

Shandy (also radler or panaché) is beer flavoured with lemonade (which means, in England, a 7-Up type of beverage, not the mixture of lemon juice, sugar and water called lemonade in the U.S.) or another soft drink or soda water.

If someone can rewrite it in a more NPOV manner, I'd be happy -- RoninBK T C 09:55, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

there is no need to re-write as the statment is frankly incorrect. I note a lot of this article is written in a culturally specifc way. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.129.124.175 (talk) 19:56, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Removed stuff
I removed this:


 * It is thought that the original manufacturer of the drink was Barnaby Eliot Walker and mass distribution was begun as early as the mid 19th Century.

because I think it's a hoax - the ISBN doesn't match up, and I can't find a trace of any such book. Put it back in if you can prove me wrong though... Chris (talk) 12:28, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Much more of this article should be trimmed. It seems to be heavily colored by the perspectives of a small number of people. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.6.88.228 (talk) 16:42, 14 May 2010 (UTC)


 * I am fairly sure I've seen references to shandy in English literature prior to the nineteenth century, so support your removal of this text. It would likely be constructive to look into (the life and opinions of) Tristram Shandy (an 18th century novel) as either a possible origin for the name or a reference to it. 84.215.6.188 (talk) 18:47, 3 January 2011 (UTC)


 * I removed the "Mazout is Flemish for Diesel". Flemish is not a language, it's Dutch. Mazout is not Diesel. Diesel is Diesel. Diesel goes in cars. Mazout is used to warm houses. Composition is the same but the color is different to prevent people from filling their cars with Mazout, because Diesel is far more expensive than Mazout. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.183.48.194 (talk) 11:54, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Remove cider/alcopop references
I contend that all mention of cider and alcopop mixes should be removed.

Snake-bite and its variants (diesel should clearly be regarded as a variant of snake-bite, a.k.a. snake-bite and black) are an entirely different kettle of fish, if only for the simple reason that they are usually more intoxicating than beer (and often drunk specifically for the purpose of hastening intoxication), where one of the reasons for shandy is precisely that it is less so (hence more suitable for quenching thirst). Shandy mixes beer with a (usually sweet and fizzy) low-alcohol (or alcohol-free) drink; in the UK, cider is typically at least as strong as beer (and often stronger); nor is it generally sweet.
 * I agree, isn't the definition of the term "shandy" that it mixes beer with a sweet non-alcoholic drink? Surely two alcoholic drinks don't qualify? All the dictionary definitions I can see either specify lemonade or that it's a non-alcoholic drink . --Pjaymes (talk) 00:17, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Likewise, the addition of alcopops to beer, while possibly making the taste more palatable to teenagers, generally serves to produce a more intoxicating drink, not a better thirst-quencher. While larger-and-lime (and similar, e.g. lager-and-blackcurrant) are reasonable relatives of shandy, worthy of mention on a shandy page, the beer+alcopop and beer+cider references really belong elsewhere, on a general beer-mixing page.

I note, however, that the page clearly needs more work than just this; perhaps it should be abolished entirely in favour of a short section within a general mixing page. 84.215.6.188 (talk) 19:08, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

In the list of Spanish variants, I notice
 * It is called a Pica / Pika ("Sting" or "Bite") in the Basque Country.

which should at least be checked as a snake-bite rather than a shandy, for the above reasons. 84.215.6.188 (talk) 19:34, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Snake Bite.
Got to agree with the comments about Snake Bite, Beer (usually Lager) and Cider mixed is defiantly called a Snake Bite. When I was younger and went out drinking regularly there were a lot of establishments that refused to serve Snake Bite because of its supposed magic property of getting you falling down drunk. This thou, had more to do with the fact that only younger less experienced drinkers would order them. When the two drinks are mixed together the resulting liquid has a nasty propensity to go all cloudy and gloopy, not too sure why, maybe some chemical used in their brewing react together. Special Brew and Merrydowns can be used to mix the drink the resulting Snake Bite is much more potent and really lives up to it's name, after drinking it you do actually feel like you have been poisoned, and if you don't get to Loma Linda within an hour or two you are dead. Yakacm (talk) 12:30, 14 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Not a shandy though is it? --Pjaymes (talk) 00:14, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Larger Top.
To add to the confusion there is also a larger top, which is pint of larger to which small amount of Lemonade (UK style Lemonade, clear soda drink type drink flavoured with citrus akin to 7 Up) has been added, when I say small it is say 5 - 10%, where as a Shandy would be 50/50. A Larger Top is a bit like a Larger and Lime or a Larger and Black, where a small amount of Lime or Blackcurrant Cordial is added, in all 3 cases this is normally done (in my experience anyway) because mass produced draft Larger doesn't taste very nice. A Larger Top maybe a drink that is peculiar to the NW of England although it must exist else where but maybe under a different name. Yakacm (talk) 12:48, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

The word you're looking for is Lager --Pjaymes (talk) 00:18, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Had a few shandies
I think the reference to shandies as any alcoholic drink is wrong. "Had a few shandies" is just a sarcastic way of saying a person has drunk a lot, obviously of something stronger than shandies. It's just a deliberate understatement.RobertWimberley (talk) 15:39, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
 * agreed. "had a few shandies" is used as a euphemism for rather more than that, to imply that the referenced individual is intoxicated beyond an acceptable level.--Pjaymes (talk) 00:49, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Time for an update?
It's been a while since this page was seriously updated and I think, honestly, its a bit of a mess. The main section on variants doesn't even include an actual description of British shandy (bitter or lager shandy). The Rock Shandy section is questionable as I find more info out there about rock shandies being mixed drinks with liquor than I do about them being anything close to a variant of an actual shandy just without beer.

Being that this is a culturally based drink that has slightly different meanings in different countries, that should be more directly addressed (descriptions/examples by country?). There is no mention of the increasingly popular American shandy either, where still lemonade is mixed with generally a hefeweizen. Gremlyn1 (talk) 19:09, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

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correctification by a southgerman
hello guys, i just corrected the section "Radler". i am from south west germany (near stuttgart, blackforest's border) and nobody of us swabians calls it russ. it's a radler and that's how half of germany calls it. tho i know from my huge family in austria (grandma from there had 10 siblings) that they call it russ and many of them live on the countryside, some even owning forests & farms & fishponds - and they do NOT make it with Almdudler, they try to make it with lemon soda if possible, but Almdudler (a lemonade made of farmer herbs) is alot more available there because many can just step out of their door and collect the herbs, making almdudler in their kitchen. if a radler is made with almdudler, it is named "Almradler". sidefacts: an "alm" is a small but autonomous farmerhouse upon a hill with lots of owned (& cultivated) land belonging to it; just imagine it as a mountainranch. and a "dudler" is simply the austrian word for "jodler", someone who yodles - usually the guy that live on alms. ;) --37.201.7.114 (talk) 14:37, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

Shake Shack Shandy
To further confuse matters, the US burger chain Shake Shack will serve a shandy which is a apparently on their "secret menu" like their peanut butter burger. A US section is perhaps needed. Wastrel Way (talk) 20:54, 21 October 2020 (UTC) Eric

Radler
''Radler (German for "cyclist") has a long history in German-speaking regions. It commonly consists of a 50:50 mixture of beer and sparkling lemonade or grapefruit juice.[3]''

"Limonade" in German means soda. Translating it with "lemonade" is a false friend. Radler is solely made with Zitronenlimonade, lemon flavored soda, for example Sprite, never with "sparkling lemonade" or grapefruit juice. If it's made with anything but beer and Zitronenlimonade, it's not a simple Radler anymore. Some variations exist, but these are fancy specialties, which are then also named accordingly. When you order a Radler anywhere in Germany, you will solely get a beer mixed with Zitronenlimonade, mostly Sprite. I'm born and raised in Bavarian and have lived in several Bundesländern (federated states). --2A01:598:B900:D6D2:C78:4337:9E4F:9A45 (talk) 21:29, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

UK and Europe?
The article lists the UK and Europe side-by-side in the list of places where it's popular. The UK is part of Europe, though. "Europe" is the geographical continent which includes the UK, and "the EU" is the political entity which the UK is not part of. I suggest that the list be amended to EITHER just say "Europe" or list the UK and all the other European countries in which it's popular. LeoEvilsbane (talk) 16:57, 4 September 2023 (UTC)