Talk:Shane Company/Archive 1

Tom Shane Accent
Where is Tom Shane's accent from? Kail Ceannai 02:40, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Lead Paragraph
I have deleted the terms surrounding where Shane Co. purchases their inventory. I also tweaked the language regarding the website to ensure that it didn't come across as "spammy". (Updates2010 (talk) 22:36, 28 April 2011 (UTC))

Facebook case study
In my most recent revision I linked to a Case Study that was done by Facebook, rather than the Shane Co. Facebook page. In regards to the improvements that I made, thank you very much for the heads up on the ==section==header. The reason I used the Facebook Case Study rather than the Atlanta Business Chronicle is because the lead line of the case study is defining Shane Co. as the largest family owned jewelry company in North America. That being said, I can certainly see your point as one source being potentially more valid than the other, I will affix both of the previously deleted references, and implement the changes outlined in your most recent message. Thanks for your time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Updates2010 (talk • contribs) 22:49, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
 * This was continued from the user's page, at my request. Go ahead and add that, but don't change the wording of the paragraph at the same time. For instance, leave "Shane Company" there. (admittedly, there's an argument that this article should be at "Shane Co" or "ShaneCo", but .. let's cross one bridge at a time).
 * Secondly, it would be better if the link to the case study was somewhere other than facebook; see WP:SOURCES, Facebook would be a self-published source, which is at least a few steps below a newspaper article in terms of "weight" that it is given here on Wikipedia. It all boils down to Wikipedia's version of The answer to life, the universe, and everything. Read that. tedder (talk) 22:58, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

I'll be happy to link to the originally included reference, though for the record, if you click on the link, it is not in fact a Facebook post, and thus self-published, but rather a case-study that was conducted by Facebook as a company. I deleted the term Shane Company because the term Shane Co. is the term used for the company in both of the originally deleted, but soon to be re-instated in my edit, references as well as just about any other online source that I can find. In terms of adding an external link to ShaneCo.com, I felt that the current version's wording lends itself for the reader to ask the question, "what is their website?" (Updates2010 (talk) 23:06, 25 April 2011 (UTC))


 * Aha, my apologies for not clicking on the case study earlier. I don't know what it verifies about the company, though- it isn't scholarly enough to back up the "largest" term, their lede paragraph was likely copied from somewhere. It does show that Shane has an online presence, of course. The link to shaneco.com is at the bottom of the page. External links absolutely don't belong in the body of the article; you can look at articles like Amazon.com or Apple Computers to see examples of that. The other place an external link could go is in an infobox to the right; a pared-down Template:Infobox company is probably the appropriate one to use.
 * As far as shaneco versus "Shane Company", let's deal with that later, because the article needs to be moved. tedder (talk) 23:27, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Company History
I have added more detail to the Company History section to provide a more thorough understanding of the history of the company. (Updates2010 (talk) 22:13, 29 April 2011 (UTC))
 * You removed the 1929 company name of "Western Stone & Metal Corp". When did that change to Shane? tedder (talk) 22:26, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

The name was actually always Shane Company. The corporate name of Western Stone & Metal was to avoid corporate confusion with Claude Shane's (Tom Shane's uncle) chain of jewelry stores also called Shane Company. While still within the same family, they were separately owned entities. The name Western Stone & Metal was only used in corporate senses (buying inventory etc.,) and the name Shane Company was used in all stores since inception in 1971, and the public has always known the company as Shane Company. In the mid-nineties, Tom Shane bought the rights to the Shane Company name. (Updates2010 (talk) 20:45, 2 May 2011 (UTC))
 * Aha, it was a normal case of DBA, then. Thanks for the info. As long as the press didn't describe it was Western Stone, it doesn't need to be in the article. Though if the article is expanded significantly, the purchase of the name would be interesting. tedder (talk) 20:49, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

I added more information regarding the plan of reorganization put forth by the company and their actual emergence from bankruptcy protection as their repayment plan actually calls for them to repay their debts in full. (Updates2010 (talk) 23:56, 3 May 2011 (UTC))
 * I believe it, but give your conflict of interest, a POV edit like that needs to be reliably sourced. tedder (talk) 01:18, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Sorry about that. Reference #5 should actually be placed a bit earlier in the text (after "filed a plan of reorganization"), and Reference #6 (which discusses every one of the changes made on 5.3.2011) should stay where it is currently placed. (Updates2010 (talk))
 * Gotcha. I read those, and your changes, and then pruned what you had written. I think it's at the appropriate level of detail now without losing information. tedder (talk) 17:43, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Agreed. Thank you very much for the pruning. The only note I would like to add to that section is the fact that Shane Co. has since emerged from Chapter 11 which was missing from your edit, as emerging from bankruptcy, and filing a plan of reorganization are different events that happened on different dates. (Updates2010 (talk) 20:29, 4 May 2011 (UTC))

Bankruptcy and headings
I added sub-headings under history to reflect the bankruptcy, and exit from bankruptcy, rather than having it's own heading all-together. This was in keeping with another company, and article that I found on another company that successfully exited Chapter 11 Bankruptcy. I referenced http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_Flags for a guide. (Updates2010 (talk) 17:44, 12 May 2011 (UTC))
 * There are several full paragraphs and over a dozen reliable sources for the Six Flags article; this has barely more than a sentence per topic. I removed the section because of that- it's all in the "bankruptcy" section. You can read WP:GTL for guidance, specifically "Very short or very long sections and subsections in an article look cluttered and inhibit the flow of the prose." tedder (talk) 17:48, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Popular Cultural References
I have added two cultural references thus far. I wanted to introduce one at a time, but felt that adding a heading of Cultural Reference didn't make much sense, and adding a heading of Cultural References wherein only one cultural reference could be found also seemed to make little sense. (Updates2010 (talk) 19:51, 26 May 2011 (UTC))
 * I added some items I found discussing his delivery, as well as a cite on the South Park reference. The cites help, as the "popular culture" sections tend to not only attract weird amounts of trivia but have also been mocked. See also WP:POPCULTURE. tedder (talk) 04:36, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for the additions. I added a couple lines to indicate that Shane Co. was no longer working with Grey, and dropped the ensuing tagline from their advertisements to clear it up a bit. (Updates2010 (talk) 19:10, 31 May 2011 (UTC))
 * I tried to streamline the text. Let me know. tedder (talk) 19:16, 31 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Makes sense to me. I tweaked the language slightly by deleting "for a while". Thanks! (Updates2010 (talk) 20:52, 31 May 2011 (UTC))


 * Even more refined. The slogan is mentioned in 'history' and in depth in the 'pop culture' section. I think we should remove it from history and put it in the lede; it's certainly one of the major factors that makes ShaneCo encyclopedically notable. tedder (talk) 20:55, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

I think that makes sense. Were you thinking something like the edit I made to produce the current version? (Updates2010 (talk) 23:36, 31 May 2011 (UTC))
 * Yeah, it needs some reference to the humor/awkward/pop culture nature of the slogan and some refining, but that's approximately correct. tedder (talk) 23:39, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

I added a paragraph outlining a reference where Tom Shane and Shane Co. are mentioned in a YouTube parody to the Popular Cultural References seciton. (Updates2010 (talk) 21:10, 22 July 2011 (UTC))