Talk:Shannon Airport

Untitled
I am tempted to move this to Shannon Airport, since that seems to be a much more common name. Objections? -- Sekicho 17:45, Mar 25, 2004 (UTC)

I agree. Zoney 18:03, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Bush's Visit in June 04
Anybody following this? The Gardai are banning people from outside shannon from coming to protest. They have given out passes to residents and recorded car number plates. They have also gone door to door asking people's views on Bush and whether they intend to protest. Very police-stateish. Seabhcan 11:33, 1 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Flying boats at Rineanna
Surely the historical use of the Shannon Estuary for flying boats should be mentioned. Does anybody know about it? --Red King 00:07, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
 * The flying boats were at Foynes. Rineanna was always used for ordinary planes. Seabhcán 07:42, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for update. Confusion removed. --Red King 09:30, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

US Immigration at Shannon
When did this start? What are its conditions of operation? Legal/Diplomatic status? Are there any other airports world-wide with the same facility? Do US-INS staff regard it as an award posting or a punishment posting? What is the extent of non-Irish use? (I met someone from Edinburgh who found she got a far better and less hasslesome deal by flying to the US via Shannon rather than via Heathrow. She especially appreciated being able to walk past the three hour lines at JFK. --Red King 09:30, 31 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Started in 1986. "In 1986 a US Immigration pre-clearance facility was opened at Shannon, thus cutting down on the time spent queueing on arrival in the United States." From Here I got the folllowing list of pre-clearence points:


 * Calgary International Airport
 * Edmonton International Airport
 * Montreal Trudeau International Airport
 * Ottawa MacDonald-Cartier International Airport
 * Lester B. Pearson International Airport
 * Vancouver International Airport
 * Victoria Preclearance (port)
 * Winnipeg International Airport
 * Bahamas - Freeport Preclearance
 * Bahamas - Nassau Preclearance
 * Bermuda Preclearance
 * Aruba Preclearance
 * Shannon Airport
 * Dublin International Airport
 * Seabhcán 10:05, 31 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Is it worth noting in the article, or is it no longer of significance? --Red King 12:09, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I added a line about it to the top of this article and to Dublin Airport. Seabhcán 12:23, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Judge Macken verdict?
The article says that Judge Macken "is due to give a judgement in April/May 2005". Any update? --Red King 21:35, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Judgement due 9 Dec 2005, delay probably due to Judge Macken's appointment to the Supreme Court. See main article which has been updated. Dowlingm 23:26, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Judgement re-scheduled in the last minute (again!) to Tuesday, December 13. Once it's made public I can contribute to a few articles here on Irish foreign policy, Shannon Airport, Irish law, and the so-called "war on terrorism".

Objectivity of "Foreign military aircraft at Shannon" section
The "Forign military at Shannon" section seems rather one sided and opinionated. It would be more apt for an encyclopedia reporting facts, to do just that and report all facts relevant to an issue.


 * I agree, infact the whole article seems to be mainly about the US military
 * This is just one section, and an important one, because it reports serious issues that relate to Irish neutrality, which is very close to being a constitutional issue. Shannon is a major stop-over for US Military personnel en route to a war zone and so-called 'extraordinary rendition' is a serious breach of Irish laws on Human Rights. So, rather than merely assert that the section is 'one sided and opinionated', why not propose changes that would redress the balance.  It has not been obvious to other editors that anything other than bare facts are being reported.  --Red King 00:14, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Main Transatlantic Airport In Ireland?

 * Is Dublin Airport not busier in terms of transatlantic flights, it also has more transatlantic routes.Jvlm.123 15:26, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Article rework
This article was in need of a rework and I have made a start on this today. Some text has been amended to ensure neutral point of view, non-encyclopedic content has been removed and trivia items have been integrated into appropriate sections of the article itself. The lead section contained too much information which was already contained in the article itself and has been moved / removed appropriately. Please feel free to continue to improve this article with your own edits. Thanks. SempreVolando (talk) 19:52, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Former airlines
I accept that the list may have been too long, and the option unrealistic for other airports but could the list perhaps be represented in paragraph form, or similar, as there are some points to be made from it (especially with regard to decline in status).

Airlines and routes previously serviced at Shannon

 * AB Airlines (London-Gatwick), folded and ceased operation in 1999
 * Aer Arann (Dublin,Leeds-Bradford)
 * Aer Lingus (Baltimore,Belfast-International, Dublin, Toronto,Chicago, Paris Charles de Gaulle,London-Gatwick, London-Heathrow, Los Angeles, Newark)


 * Aeroflot (Moscow-Sheremetyevo, New York-JFK, Havana, Mexico City, Lima, Miami, Chicago-O'Hare, St. Petersburg (Leningrad)
 * Air Canada (Toronto-Pearson)
 * Air France (Paris Charles de Gaulle)
 * Alitalia
 * American Airlines (Boston, Chicago-O'Hare)
 * Belavia (Minsk)
 * BOAC
 * British Airways (Manchester)London Heathrow, Barbados - Concorde Service in 1990/91
 * Cargolux
 * Condor (Frankfurt, Munich)
 * Cubana De Aviacion (Havana)
 * EirJet Irish Charter operator folded October 2006
 * EUjet (Parent company, Planestation, folded in July 2005)
 * easyJet (London-Gatwick), ceased Irish operation in October 2006
 * FlyLAL Served (Vilinius) For six months
 * Flybe (Birmingham, Edinburgh, Glasgow-International)
 * Flyglobespan (Toronto YHM)
 * Hapag-Lloyd Express (now TUIfly) for six months in 2005.
 * [[K.L.M. Amsterdam, New York.
 * Lufthansa
 * Northwest Airlines
 * Pakistan International Airlines (fuelling stop on routes between Pakistan and New York)
 * Pan Am (Folded in 1991)
 * Royal Jordanian (fuel stop)
 * Ryanair (Alicante, Birmingham, Bournemouth, Brussels South Charleroi, Carcassonnne, Dublin, Edinburugh, Faro, Frankfurt Hahn, Girona, Glasgow-Prestwick, Hamburg-Lubeck, Krakow, Lanzarote, Lodz, Manchester, Milan-Orio al Serio, Paris-Beauvais, Stockholm-Skavsta, Rome-Ciampino, Venice-Treviso, Weeze)
 * Sabena
 * Skynet Airlines (Folded in 2004)
 * [[TransAmerica New York JFK, Chicago, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Amsterdam, Tel Aviv
 * TWA (New York-JFK, Tel Aviv)
 * Virgin Express (Served London-Gatwick and Brussels Airport)

Name in Irish
There are three different spellings for the Irish name of Shannon Airport. The infobox spells it as Aerfort na Sionnainne. The logo spells it as Aerfort na Sionainne. And the first line of the article says it is Aerfort na Sionna. So does anybody know which is it?? 86.43.67.204 (talk) 14:48, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Shamrock Express
I believe flights by Shamrock Express to Lansing are charters rather than scheduled flights. Does anyone have any source to suggest otherwise ? Pmbma (talk) 19:05, 14 December 2008 (UTC)Pmbma


 * Do the flights even exist? From this message board it appears to be just talk.--A bit iffy (talk) 07:33, 15 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't think they do exist, but I'm not certain on this - I just reverted the WP entry back to the previous status of charter when someone changed in to scheduled.

I removed Shamrock express. This is a tour company that comes along and says they are going to offer service to Shannon beginning Summer 08. In March 08 they cancel saying they hope to begin service the following year. Their website is still under construction (1 year later). There does not appear to be much information about Kenny Tours on the internet, there does not appear to be much information about Shamrock Express on the internet. It seems like they also tried to start service out of Niagara Falls but that also did not work out. --T*85 (talk) 18:32, 22 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree with the removal. The more I look at this, there more I think that Shamrock Express was no more than an unfulfilled wish. It doesn't belong in the article. Also, for completeness, I'm moving to here ("Shannon Airport - Shamrock Express" below) some additional discussion from another talk page.--A bit iffy (talk) 16:51, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Shannon Airport - Shamrock Express
The discussion below was on User talk:88.81.104.106 but I have moved it here because it is a more appropriate place.--A bit iffy (talk) 16:51, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

''Does Shamrock Express really offer scheduled flights to Shannon, as opposed to charter flights ? Just because a flight-only package can be purchased from an airline does not make it a scheduled flight. Do you have a source for this ? Pmbma (talk) 18:46, 14 December 2008 (UTC)Pmbma

''What I heard from my relatives, is that it will be a scheduled 2 or 3 flights a week service operated for the summer months.

''I do not wish to doubt on anything your relatives have said - it is entirely possible that they are 100% correct. However, for information to be on wikipedia, it needs not only to be correct, but also to be independently verifiable by a 3rd party. If it's not verifiable, it shouldn't be on wikipedia. Pmbma (talk) 19:08, 19 December 2008 (UTC)Pmbma http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability''

Coordinates
The coordinates need the following fixes: 52.701978,-8.924817 Write here

85.201.128.95 (talk) 20:07, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Delta SNN-JFK route
I know that this route was operated seasonally for a while now but is this route ending indefintely or is it still operating seasonally? 74.183.173.237 (talk) 22:33, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Volga-Dnepr
What heading should the fact that Volga-Dnepr Airlines have a maintenace facility here go under? ShaneMc2010 (talk) 21:41, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

I would put it under Facilities and with a sub heading (Maintence Facilities). Jamie2k9 (talk) 22:36, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

History needs clarification
The article says "The first Air Services Agreement with the United States in 1945 only permitted flights to Shannon, and only permitted Irish airlines to serve Boston, Chicago and New York." I guess he meant US airlines were allowed at Shannon but not elsewhere in Ireland, and Irish airlines were allowed at Boston-Chicago-NY but not elsewhere in the US? As it stands, it could mean US airlines weren't allowed to fly from SNN to BOS etc. Tim Zukas (talk) 16:50, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Another tidbit: 1950s transatlantic flights were sometimes scheduled to stop at SNN for fuel, but not for passengers-- and with favorable winds they might be able to skip SNN. It seems that such a flight wasn't allowed to use Irish airspace at all. Anybody else heard of that? Tim Zukas (talk) 16:56, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Aer Lingus Regional Incident
As you have not added anything about it I added it and you deleted it I would like a reason why you are censoring a public website — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.97.111.246 (talk) 15:05, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Coming in new, it looks to me that the reason it was deleted was that it was too insignificant. The policy WikiProject Aviation/Aircraft accidents and incidents explains what (and what does not) qualify for inclusion.--Red King (talk) 17:12, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Section needs fixing, or better still removing
Seasonal suspension of Aer Lingus' transatlantic routes

The information therein needs to be reformulated, since it now occurred in the past. Either that or removed altogether; Transatlantic flights having been suspended a year or two ago from the airport, isn't really encyclopedic knowledge for its article, is it ? --205.167.7.125 (talk) 09:01, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

References for charter flights
If you find any references for charter flights operating at SNN please add them as it can be hard to find out if charters are still running. Please remove any charters that are no longer running. Thanks, Vg31-irl (talk) 15:32, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

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Travel Service Airlines
Travel Service Airlines is shown as a passenger airline, with destinations Marseille and CDG. However, there is no mention of that airline in the referenced source, and the article on Travel Service Airlines makes no mention of any SNN operations. Can someone clarify what's happening?--A bit iffy (talk) 00:44, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
 * That site does not mention the operating airlines. I know from checking the Shannon Airport website departures page that these flights are operated by Travel Service Airlines. If you search on Flickr you will find pictures from last summer of Travel Service Airlines aircraft at Shannon Airport. VG31-irl 01:01, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I've moved the request for a source to the Travel Service Airlines cell in the table - perhaps a more appropriate place.--A bit iffy (talk) 01:27, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

BA route
Someone put a hidden message in the destinations section not to put BA LCY in the table.

I do not see a discussion here for such restriction. BA LCY should be put in but with a notation that only passengers between LCY and JFK are carried. Vanguard10 (talk) 05:25, 17 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Such routes are only included if they have fifth freedom rights to take on passengers at the stopover airport. Ethiopian Airlines from ADD-DUB-LAX is listed as they take on passengers at Dublin but not flights from ADD to IAD or YYZ as they only use DUB as a fuel stop. Likewise, the BA flights from LCY-SNN-JFK are not included as they do not allow passengers to fly from SNN-JFK only. This is not a policy specific to this page but an airport-wide policy. Thanks, VG31 13:36, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Can you point me to the policy? I see some footnotes in some articles that says that an airline flies xxx-KUL-SIN but has no KUL-SIN rights so something similar might be done here. Any policy written down? Vanguard10 (talk) 04:22, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

Three primary airports
Just querying the opening sentence of the article: Shannon Airport (Irish: Aerfort na Sionna) (IATA: SNN, ICAO: EINN) is one of Ireland's three primary airports. This sounds quite odd to me, given that three are 2-3 other airports, namely Belfast International, Belfast City and maybe also City of Derry, which are indisputably in Ireland, and are in the same league of "primacy" as Dublin, Cork and Shannon. Of course, I know there is a lot of controversy around these sorts of topics, and I know that Irish people don't like the term "Republic of Ireland" for their country, preferring simply "Ireland", which is understandable. On the other hand, however, few would dispute that Belfast and Derry are in Ireland (albeit not in the nation state called Ireland). Is there a better way we could word this? Thanks &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 17:59, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
 * If the opening sentence said "one of the Island of Ireland's.." then maybe include Belfast etc. but as per the Manual of Style the use of Ireland is seems fine. ~ Ablaze (talk) 07:33, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

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Protected edit request on 16 January 2021
Add < /ref> after. JsfasdF252 (talk) 00:30, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
 * No, that is not the point. What needs to be added is to close the reference. This word was accidentally removed by IP 2600.1700etc. The Banner  talk 01:40, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
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Rendition flights at Shannon Airport
I have difficulty with the addition by User:StairySky added here and his similar edit on Dermot Ahern. I have severe doubts if these additions are in the best interest of the articles at hand and seems to be overblown/out of scope of the subject. I like to have more opinions. The Banner talk 14:36, 23 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I only saw this now. Could you elaborate on why you say it is overblown? StairySky (talk) 08:14, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
 * In short: I think you give it more attention in the mentioned articles then it is really worth. You are talking about a minister and an airport. The details you provided fits better in an article about rendition flights. I also know that rendition flights are highly controversial with a high risk of making the article non-neutral but is must also not be whitewashed. The Banner  talk 09:35, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Well it's quite a significant political issue, so I'm not sure it can be boiled down to "a minister and an airport". It seems to have coverage in a range of reliable sources which to me would make it worth putting in the article, in addition to the fact that it's a contentious political issue. StairySky (talk) 10:00, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Separate article? The Banner  talk 11:51, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
 * What do you have in mind? StairySky (talk) 10:43, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Stopover section
The current Shannon Stopover section starts off with the introduction of US preclearance facilities in 1986. This is not quite accurate. As I understand it, the original stopover concept was a requirement that all transatlantic flights in and out of Ireland had to land at Shannon before proceeding on to Dublin, New York, Boston, or other destinations. This would have been in the 1960s/1970s I believe, and was in place long before any form of preclearance was introduced. I think that the procedure was gradually phased out, with airlines being allowed to bypass Shannon in one direction, or only serving it on a single route. I think there was also an interim period when an Aer Lingus 747 was based at Shannon and passed through Dublin en route to and from the USA. Maybe we could update the article to reflect this. jxm (talk) 07:29, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
 * You are right. That section about preclearance was added at the wrong place. I have moved it a bit and gave it its own section header. The Banner  talk 10:45, 17 February 2024 (UTC)