Talk:Shannon Nichol

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This page should not be speedily deleted because... (your reason here) --Bridgetann4of6 (talk) 01:09, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

Shannon Nichol is a recognized leading female landscape architect. She should be acknowledged for her contributions to the field of landscape architecture as being a founding principal of a woman-founded, leading landscape architecture firm.

Thank you.

Regarding conflict of interest
I am not affiliated with Shannon Nichol, or GGN. I am a student of Landscape Architecture at a university with no connection to Shannon Nichol or GGN. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bridgetann4of6 (talk • contribs) 03:25, 18 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Where, then, did all this unsourced content come from:

Born April 1, 1974 in Arizona, Nichol and her parents moved to rural, northwestern Washington state, near the foothills of Mount Baker close to Deming, WA in 1981.

Nichol was shy, sensitive, and introverted as a child. Having been placed academically forward in school, Nichol was younger than her classmates. In the seventh grade Nichol was identified for placement into a program for early college entry, but her parents chose to allow her to experience junior high and high school, a decision Nichol credits for enabling her to develop social skills and resilience. This time also gave her the space to discover sports as a way to self-esteem, social health, and happiness. Nichol continues to be an avid backpacker and trail runner. As she grew older, Nichol was influenced by the intricacies of the forest and by the dramatic terrain, including the massive clear-cuts, and historic and active logging operations that shaped the land.

Nichol was able to accept the isolation of many of her earliest jobs, another experience she cites as important in her design work. Nichol worked long night shift hours on farms and in canneries. She earned her way through high school and college with nontraditional summer and part-time jobs operating farm and industrial equipment such as forklifts and a combine harvester. Nichol also worked in an industrial paint shop, sandblasting and coating machine parts, vehicle bodies, and buoys. Other jobs included a series of commissions for realistic dog portraits and light auto repair work. As a student at the University of Washington, Nichol worked part time in the Dean's office at the College of Engineering.

Married in 2003, Nichol lives in Seattle with her husband, whom she met through their mutual love of vintage cars and motorcycles, and their young son.

Nichol is a systems thinker and has always been interested in fixing injustices. While she has been told that she is naïve she does not let it bother her, rather she is happy to bring about fixes by quietly working them into designs. Professionally, Nichol is an advocate for designers who do not have advanced degrees, and those who come from state schools. Education

Nichol earned a Bachelor's of Architectural Studies from the University of Liverpool in 1996 and in Landscape Architecture from University of Washington in 1997.

Nichol entered college with the intent of pursuing civil engineering and forestry at the University of Washington but was not entirely convinced that her environmental concerns or creative interests would be useful in those fields. When Nichol happened to take an evening elective course taught by Richard Haag, FASLA, she was struck by the natural fit of landscape architecture, and she immediately applied to the UW landscape architecture department. With the annual application deadline only two weeks away from her discovery of the profession, Nichol often tells students that she would not be accepted into the department now, with her engineering-focused prerequisites and rashly assembled portfolio of ball-point-pen dog portraits. Nichol was able to deepen her studies and confidence through a faculty-awarded departmental scholarship for architectural studies at the University of Liverpool – a turning point in her view, confirming she could be productive designing in broader contexts.


 * That's just a small sampling. 2601:188:180:B8E0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 03:30, 18 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Or this:

Important to her workflow, is Nichol’s use of Crummy Cartoons to aggregate for people what the site is. The Crummy Cartoon is how Nichol shares her vision of correcting injustice in the physical design of a landscape that so many people find hard to see. The Crummy Cartoon is not a reconstruction and is not to scale. There are no property lines nor other defining features. It is, rather, the character of the site. The cartoon allows others into Nichol’s mindset. They are her way of showing non designers what they may not see, but what is there, before they get caught by the immensity of an entire project. She draws, in simple, minimally detailed, non-threatening sketches that show the injustices of a site’s history. Drawing is of great importance to Nichol and she uses hand drawings extensively to visualize design, and design ideas. Nichol considers it a vital point in helping everyone see the landscape that she does. Because of the many transformations a site goes through, the land loses its ability to show its story. Nichol’s drawings are capable of showing a site's beautiful character and story that would not be seen otherwise. Nichol acknowledges the fear people have of not being able to draw what they can’t see and encourages students to draw what they don’t know. Overall, Nichol’s work focuses on urban sites in ongoing collaborations with several architects, on a limited series of residential gardens, and on streets. In her lesser-known work as a "pedestrian engineer," embedded by various clients and architects into street-engineering projects – such as Mercer West, Terry Avenue, Connecting Downtown Cleveland, and the Pike-Pine Renaissance project – Nichol pursues her passion for improving the consideration for the non-vehicle-driving users of America's public street space


 * Where did this come from? 2601:188:180:B8E0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 03:34, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

Please go ahead and add back content with proper sources that were used for what was removed. There is no need to individually respond to anything here as long as it is properly sourced when added to the article. --Carthradge (talk) 06:31, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Contrary to asserting that "There is no need to individually respond to anything here,", would do well to explain where much of the above content was procured, if indeed there is no affiliation with the subject. Here are some statements, cherry picked from what I've deleted and posted above:
 * Important to her workflow, is Nichol’s use of Crummy Cartoons to aggregate for people what the site is. The Crummy Cartoon is how Nichol shares her vision of correcting injustice in the physical design of a landscape that so many people find hard to see.;
 * Drawing is of great importance to Nichol and she uses hand drawings extensively to visualize design, and design ideas. Nichol considers it a vital point in helping everyone see the landscape that she does.;
 * Nichol acknowledges the fear people have of not being able to draw what they can’t see and encourages students to draw what they don’t know.;
 * Nichol entered college with the intent of pursuing civil engineering and forestry at the University of Washington but was not entirely convinced that her environmental concerns or creative interests would be useful in those fields.;
 * With the annual application deadline only two weeks away from her discovery of the profession, Nichol often tells students that she would not be accepted into the department now, with her engineering-focused prerequisites and rashly assembled portfolio of ball-point-pen dog portraits.;
 * Nichol is a systems thinker and has always been interested in fixing injustices. While she has been told that she is naïve she does not let it bother her, rather she is happy to bring about fixes by quietly working them into designs.;
 * Nichol was able to deepen her studies and confidence through a faculty-awarded departmental scholarship for architectural studies at the University of Liverpool – a turning point in her view, confirming she could be productive designing in broader contexts.;
 * Nichol was shy, sensitive, and introverted as a child. Having been placed academically forward in school, Nichol was younger than her classmates.;
 * Married in 2003, Nichol lives in Seattle with her husband, whom she met through their mutual love of vintage cars and motorcycles, and their young son.


 * There are two issues here. The first is that virtually none of this is encyclopedia worthy--I've twice been called 'abrasive' for noting what's obvious, that this has no place in Wikipedia. The second is that the article's creator has not copped to what's equally obvious, that there has been personal correspondence with Ms. Nichol or someone close to her (or, plausibly, took copious notes at one of Ms. Nichol's lectures). Which isn't verboten in and of itself, but conflict of interest must be divulged. Likewise, broke a four year retirement from Wikipedia to edit here, and lecture me on etiquette. So yes, there is much to respond to. 2601:188:180:B8E0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 17:42, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

You bring up the fact that I am editing on pages again. You can thank coronavirus quarantine idleness for that :). Otherwise, I don't see how that is relevant. I am simply asking you to assume the other user is acting in good faith, as is Wikipedia policy. The article has been cleared from unsourced statements and the user will have a chance to re-add them with proper sources. I am worried that your attitude/hostility is what keeps women and other groups from becoming Wikipedia contributors, which is why I am speaking out. You are not accomplishing anything else at this point as long as the creator does not re-add content without proper documentation. --Carthradge (talk) 19:21, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes to the quarantine. I've no interest in the gender of a contributor--I would hope you're not jumping to conclusions about my skin color, gender or ethnicity--and if the call to write decent encyclopedic prose, include reliable sources and engage in transparency is viewed as hostile, or repels a new editor, then they're probably not ready to write here. You're right about acting in good faith. But to use this exchange as an example of why women may not edit here is a bit much. 2601:188:180:B8E0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 19:34, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
 * An inexperienced editor created an article based on the kind of text typical of many personal and company websites. It is a fairly common mistake--which is a good reason not to WP:BITE new editors. We have plenty of policy and machinery to take care of COI transgressors when they become a problem--vainglorious sleuthing by randos isn't needed. is dead right, and raising strawman arguments against his/her statements is fruitless. Let's get back to working on the encyclopedia.HouseOfChange (talk) 19:59, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

Like I said earlier, I am not affiliated with Shannon Nichol, or GGN. I am a student of Landscape Architecture at a university that is unaffiliated with her. Many of the details on the original page were notes from a talk of hers at my university. I understand this cannot be added without sources and will only make additions that have Wikipedia approved citations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bridgetann4of6 (talk • contribs) 20:10, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you, . My apologies if I was too severe in my criticism, and I do appreciate your explanation. I have no problem with reverting the talk page back to, but don't feel it's appropriate to do so without consensus. 2601:188:180:B8E0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 20:14, 18 March 2020 (UTC)