Talk:Shap Stone Avenue

Stub pages concerning the same site
We seems to have four tiny stub pages here – Kemp Howe, Hill of Skulls, Thunder Stone, and Goggleby Stone – which all seem to be parts of the same complex. I can't help thinking that it would better if all four pages were merged to a common page. Pasicles (talk) 18:53, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Right, I've decided to be bold, and I've merged Hill of Skulls, Thunder Stone, and Goggleby Stone to this page. I'm assuming that "Kemp Howe" is a preferred name for describing this complex. Pasicles (talk) 19:48, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Kemp Howe merging
Hi, Pasicles, I'm thinking that your merging of the various stubs (Goggleby, Thunderstone, etc. ) into one page was a very good idea as they seem to form parts of one megalithic complex. However, looking at the relevant sources (eg: Barrowclough, Clare) I'm pretty sure that Kemp Howe isn't used as the name of the complex (although it may have been the terminus for the Southern Shap Avenue set of stones). Burl and Clare seem to think that Skellaw Hill was the focus of the avenues of stones. (Clare doesn't even name Kemp Howe, he just lumps everything under "Shap"). Barrowclough calls the whole thing the "Shap Complex", which starts in the north at the Thunderstone and ends up at the Kemp Howe circle in the south. We could call the page the "Shap Complex" or maybe the "Shap Avenue complex". Neither is very satisfactory, but I prefer the second as the "Shap Complex" sounds like a psychological condition. What do you think? I can re-arrange and expand the page if you you agree. Thanks, Laplacemat (talk) 10:51, 4 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi Laplacemat. Yes I wasn't very sure about this. "Kemp Howe" seems to be the name of a farm near the stone circle, rather than the complex itself. On the other hand, James Dyer's Discovering Prehistoric England does list the site under "Kemp Howe, Shap", which is why I tentatively left it. I've had another look at various books, and I agree that there doesn't seem to be a single unified name, which is a bit of a problem. All things considered, I think that "Shap Avenue complex" is perhaps the best option - so if you want to move the page to that, and expand it, you have my best wishes! Pasicles (talk) 13:51, 12 June 2013 (UTC)


 * O.k., Pasicles, thanks for your understanding. I'll see what I can do under the title "Shap Avenue Complex". Laplacemat (talk) 16:30, 12 June 2013 (UTC)