Talk:Shar Pei/Archive 1

More Human Evil and/or Stupidity
Why would anyone want to promote the breeding and ownership of a breed with such an incredible array of serious health problems? The same, of course, goes for those engage in the same immoral conduct on "behalf" of such genetic wrecks as Pugs and (English) Bulldogs. Most of the problems of this breed(aside from selective breeding for maximum wrinkling) probably stem from the lack of genetic diversity brought about by rapid population expansion from the  small number of founders brought to the US in the wake of the Chinese Cultural Revolution.Inbreeding is bad for all mammals:dogs, humans, etc. Mammals like rodents live such short lives the problems don't have time to show up in many cases. Also not too many people care about the welfare of rats and mice. Falange (talk) 17:14, 2 January 2009 (UTC) http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/11/081111163123.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by Falange (talk • contribs) 19:05, 2 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Breeding individual dogs with heritable diseases is deplorable indeed, but that's the same in every breed. Don't generalize, the Shar-Pei as a whole is still relatively healthy. --Yerpo (talk) 19:26, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

We've had our Shar-Pei for 11 years. She is an incredible, wonderful dog and we love her more than I can say. However, I never recommend that anyone get a Shar-Pei because they need more time, affection, attention, care and money than most people can, or will, give. I, too, am concerned about the inbreeding that results in unwarranted suffering of such intelligent, loving dogs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.134.24.209 (talk) 21:47, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Big Brother
The article says:

Zac Lichman from Big Brother had a Shar Pei named Molly, who undertook a task on Day 55, and was also reunited.

Reunited with what/whom? Does anyone know what this means?--Angelastic (talk) 20:21, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

shar pei claws
does a Shar Pei have retractable claws like a cat unlike any other dog?Talenblackhawk (talk) 03:22, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

No. They're normal claws for dogs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.143.65.109 (talk) 10:08, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

The Smell
Something worth noting about this breed: they are usually have a good amount of energy, and need regular exercise. As such, their sweat gets trapped between the wrinkles and they stink. They're wonderful dogs, and great with children, but if you own one, get in the habit of bathing them regularly (Which can dry their skin and cause other problems) or buying "Skunk Spray Remover" aerosol to hose them off periodically. It's amazing the amount of B.O. a 50lb animal can generate.--Legomancer (talk) 16:19, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Bathing once a week keeps the Shar-Pei smelling nice and their skin in good condition. My Shar-Pei loves a shower with a hand-held nozzle and a good shampoo massage. When she hears the word "bath," she walks into the shower stall. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.134.24.209 (talk) 21:59, 15 December 2010 (UTC) My dog hates water and the aerosol just wont cut it — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.65.184.125 (talk) 23:05, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Proposed merge with Bone-mouth
I propose a merge of the Bone-mouth article here, as the Bone-mouth is simply a variety of Shar-Pei, much how 'harlquin' is a variety of great dane. Perhaps it can be incorporated into a 'varieties' section?  T K K ! bark with me if you're my dog! 03:41, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

Aggressive Temperament
It is astonishing to me how an article on one of the most naturally aggressive breeds of dog can hardly even mention this important fact. Shar Peis were originally bred to be fighting dogs, NOT guarding dogs (not that there is that much of a difference, but still...). Anyone who considers purchasing or owning one of these dangerous dogs should be aware of this. While this article is technically correct in stating that "the Shar Pei can be a good family pet if it is socialized properly from an early age," (or some such nonsense), the fact remains that this breed requires a great deal of proper training, by an experienced person, in order to hope that it will indeed be socialized properly. This article continually obfuscates the dangerous temperament of this breed, while describing it in such 'technically true while misleading' language. Why do I not edit the article? Because my past experience with Wiki has shown me that even a minor 'correction' will cull forth the 'guardians' of this article who will challenge my statements, and demand 'citations.' Look up any book on this breed and you will see a more accurate description of this dangerous breed. ONE final request: If you have (or plan to have) any children, please, Please do NOT get one of these dangerous animals; there are many wonderful friendly and sociable, safe dog breeds to choose from. 207.237.81.175 (talk) 14:03, 6 August 2015 (UTC) Allen Roth


 * Sorry, but personal anecdotes are not good enough for entering claims into articles. No book on this breed points them out as "one of the most naturally aggressive breeds of dog" as you claim (unless, as you expected, you provide a good source - or, even better, more of them). As I understand your post, your experience with the wiki gave you a valuable lesson, it's up to you to learn from it. No controversy here. — Yerpo Eh? 14:17, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

I rarely respond to comments on my posts; My attitude usually is, "I've stated my point of view; it is available to anyone, I don't feel the need to re-state it or re-phrase it. Let all readers judge for themselves." Your few observations, however, deserve a brief reply, viz., (1) I did not offer a personal anecdote of any kind; (2) I don't think you've read every book on the Shar-Pei (I wonder if you've read even one); (3) I was not offering my words which you quoted as a direct quote from a book on the Shar Pei, but merely a summary paraphrase of general content; (4) My experiences with Wiki did indeed teach me a lesson; you have re-confirmed it by your contribution. 207.237.92.15 (talk) 04:48, 7 August 2015 (UTC) Allen Roth


 * A brief reply to your brief reply, so the readers can judge:
 * (1) In absence of a credible reference, your claim is indistinguishable from a personal anecdote for all intents and purposes.
 * (2) You said "Look up any book". I did, and did not find it supporting your claim. On the contrary, the book The Chinese Shar-Pei by Paul D. Strang and Eve C. Olsen, which is considered authoritative, says: "In character, the Shar-Pei has a sweet disposition and only fights if taught to do so by his master from infancy." (as just one of the examples). Why exactly am I supposed to read "every" book to disprove your claim that "any" book supports you? I'm beginning to suspect that you are the one who haven't really read any...
 * (3) You made a very specific claim. On wiki, you're supposed to support your claims with reliable published sources, otherwise you cannot expect anybody to believe that your summary is correct (in fact, it is bogus, as proven by my reply on point 2).
 * (4) Judging by your tone, you didn't understand it fully.
 * — Yerpo Eh? 06:19, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

History
The article mentions that the Shar Pei' were good fighting dogs when in fact they were such good natured that they would not make good fighting digs. Attempts to make them fight with stimulants failed as well. The dogs are known for their pristine stance great wrinkles and incredible loyalty. Shar Pei's are a great family pet. Regards, Jenny Armstrong. Chariman of the Shar Pei Alliance.

The documented history says that they were fighting dogs, among other things. This doesn't mean that they can't be wonderful pets. But denying it makes Shar Pei promoters look dishonest. It would very likely be impossible to get my nephews Pitt Bull Lilly to fight anything that didn't come in a can. That doesn't mean her ancestors didn't fight. 71.234.37.99 (talk) 17:16, 7 March 2009 (UTC)Will in New Haven71.234.37.99 (talk) 17:16, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

there are two subsections for history... i'm not the guy to determine what information is more relevant.

69.165.139.192 (talk) 04:49, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Excessive Wrinkling and Disease
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/11/081111163123.htm Why Shar Pei Dogs Have So Many Wrinkles

ScienceDaily (Nov. 16, 2008) — A group of researchers at Universitat Autònoma de Barcelona (UAB) have discovered the origin of the mucinosis present in Shar Pei dogs, a hereditary disorder responsible for the characteristic wrinkles found in this breed. (...) ''Shar Peis became a popular breed in Europe and the United States at the beginning of the 1990s. During the recovery process, the characteristic wrinkles of the first Shar Pei dogs were enhanced and the offspring of these appeared with thicker skin and a greater number of wrinkles. This increase in thickness and the formation of excessive wrinkles are the cause of the inherited skin disorder cutaneous mucinosis, in which there is a build-up of mucin in the layers of the skin. The mechanism which produces this excess of mucin was unknown of until now.'' (...) Due to the high level of inbreeding, the Shar Pei breed is afflicted with numerous disorders, and many of them are hereditaryFalange (talk) 19:02, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Any way to make this article redirect or feature more prominently in the special page for people who type in "wrinkle dog" to the search tab? BaikinMan 16:03, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
 * You can create a redirect page. How? See --> Redirect -- • Kurt Guirnela •  ‡ Talk  08:44, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

new site on link list
I added site to the link list. EvaEva 20 June 2007
 * Signed for archive purposes only.  William Harris  &#124;talk 05:29, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

Gallery
Galleries of dog and cat breeds have been phased out all over Wikipedia for the most part, except to show significant variations (every single possible color does not count as significant) in the breed's appearance. The removed gallery, even the revised version, made reference to types of Shar Pei unrecognised by the article and including very poor images in terms of composition. This is not a free gallery for people's pets, and images included must have not only a clear purpose but be of good quality. VanTucky 02:50, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

I can understand removal of galleries if there are simply several images of the same type of dog (e.g. 8 pictures of a standard Boston Terrier) but this gallery only shows the three distinct coats that distinguish the three types of Shar Pei - useful information if you're thinking of purchasing or breeding this dog because in addition to personal preference, some hair types can cause rashes in humans. I can add this information into the main article if needed then the images will support the text.

I'm not trying to showcase my own dog but if I've taken the photo myself then I can be absolutely sure that the image won't vioalte any copyright laws by posting it to Wikipedia. Waldopepper 01:30, 2 July 2007 (GMT)

A nickname for the breed is "Golden Lion", referring to dogs who have a light brown coat.
I think anyone who owns a Shar Pei would agree that the nickname probably comes from their regal atitude and cat like hunting and playing to simply the color of the dog. Although there is no citation for any of this... 69.143.18.31 (talk) 01:53, 24 November 2007 (UTC)\

I had a female Shar Pei stray (might have been a mix) that looked like the traditional version of the Shar Pei in the picture she had puppies soon after we started feeding her. They hunted like a cat in that they would crouch down and sneak up on rabbits, cats and squirrels with their shoulders rolling like a big cat does. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.125.70.47 (talk) 05:24, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

A stray shar pei? Who is also filled with about 10 grand worth of puppies? I find that scenario hard to believe. Are you sure you didn't just accidentally on purpose fail to find the owner? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.106.216.138 (talk) 05:44, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Really? They Don't Lose Any Fur?
What do you do when there is a statement which has a reference but you know it to be incorrect?

In the Shar Pei article it says that Shar Pei's lose little to no fur. However my boss has a Shar Pei pure breed and he brings it to work with us in the truck. I see the dog's fur flying off every time it shakes or when you pet it and every little crack and crevice in the truck is packed full of the dog's fur. I constantly complain about the dog being in the truck because I have to clean the truck and I can't stand cleaning out the fur only to have it go right back in to every tight spot. All in all, it is completely untrue that Shar Pei's lose little to no fur at all. I guess I just wonder what happens if I find a reference to support my view. Is there a reference battle or what? How is it decided which reference is correct? Do photos of my truck count as a reference? lol or is it only websites that could be written by absolutely anyone that are allowed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.106.216.138 (talk) 06:01, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Normally, a Shar-Pei sheds twice a year. I did read this in an information book on Shar-Peis and observed it to be true. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.134.24.209 (talk) 21:53, 15 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Personal observations are irrelevant for determining the "truth" (including photos - read the No original research rule), but if you have a book reference, it will normally be considered more authoritative than a random website like the one that's referenced right now. — Yerpo Eh? 07:30, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

A shar pei blows its coat two times a year (they have a short summer coat and a longer winter coat). In between these sheddings, they do lose little fur. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.17.198.218 (talk) 04:19, 5 January 2011 (UTC)