Talk:Shark Bay, Western Australia

earlier comments
You say you don't have an article called "Shark Bay,Western Australia"  You should - it enjoys the pretstige of being identified as having the oldest association with the European world in all of Australia.(Dirk Hartog's landing in 1616 - that is some 150 years before Cook opened up the Eastern seaboard) This is my first time on Wikipedia - the principles sound good - I will check it out further before commenting.In the meantime may I point out one or two discrepencies appropos that information you do have on Shark Bay. 1.There are not 2 towns in the Shire of Shark Bay - just the one - Denham,sometimes referred to as Shark or Sharks Bay.Monkey Mia is not a town but a tourist resort.There is - as correctly mentioned - the community at Useless Loop (a closed mining site) plus small resorts/settlements at Nanga,Hamelin Pool,the Overlander and the Billabong. 2.Max.temps can reach 110 F in the summer months (approx Oct to Mar) 3.The bulk of the rain does not fall in the cyclone season - it does so in the 'winter' months e.g.April to Sept.(We can go 5,6, or 7 years without a cyclone or the fall-out of rain from a nearby cyclone.) 3.There are not 3 major climatic zones - two.(In West Australia it is generally accepted there are 2 major weather patterns - northern and southern:these converge on the 26th parallel which cuts through the middle of Shark Bay. 4.The figure of 300 million years for the sromatolites at Hamelin Pool is sheer conjecture.Even CSIRO (Australias leadig scientific body) estimate the nearby solidified shell deposits (coquina) at Hamelin are no more than 4,500 years old or in keeping with the universal flood of that era. 5. Two official websites? You have omitted mine www.sharkbayherald.com.au and that of World Heritage.If I can be of any further help please don't hesitate to contact me - Tim Hargreaves as Editor - The Shark Bay Herald tel/fax 08 99 481 338 (One of the few genuinely independent full broadsheet newspapers in rural Australia)


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 * Both the evolutionist and the creationist viewpoints on stromatolites are irrelevant to this article, because although there may be disputes about how old some stromatolites are, it is universally agreed that the stromatolites in Hamelin Pool are only about 3000 years old. I have removed both the "3000 million years old" statement and your attempt to balance the discussion by including the creationist viewpoint.
 * Drew (Snottygobble) | Talk 22:38, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

I salute your balanced stance on the stromatolite/creationist/evolutioist issue. Permit me to say - as a man from an older generation - you write in a sensible manner yet your identity  of s*ot*y etc is at variance with this vein.Thanks - Tim Hargreaves.


 * Okay, there are now redirects at Shark Bay, Shark Bay, WA,Shark Bay, W. A.]], Shark Bay, West Australia and Shark Bay, Australia.  If there are any other logical redirects, let me know and I'll create them.


 * Believe it or not, a snottygobble is a Western Australian tree (see Persoonia). Drew (Snottygobble) | Talk 23:43, 19 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure if you'll be checking back at this page but there's no "us" and "you" at wikipedia as you can make improvements as easily as anyone else can (everyone here starts out as a beginner). I find it curious that a self-proclaimed journalist can have so little experience with computers (given modern publishing techniques). - Diceman 12:00, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks - can you include Shark Bay WestERN Australia as well please? Aah - thank you Mr.Drew - I appreciate your putting in those alternative ways of referring to Shark Bay.And I didn't realize there was such a tree as a snottygobble - bless my soul - what an extraordinary name.
 * Sunday 22nd Jan 06 Hello again Mr Drew - it's late - we've just come through the usual dramas of another near cyclone -just to answer your observations - self-proclaimed journalist etc - I have no formal training as a journalist - brought up in something of the atmosphere of it all with my grandfather helping Beaverbrook get established in Engaland (he was Editor of the Field and Boys Own and wrote I don't know how many novels under name of John Godwin);an aunt, author of about 40 novels - under name of Barbara Kaye - my dear old mother who was on the Vancouver Daily,The Shanghai North China Daily News and East African Standard - all this pre-war obviously - as an itinerant rake and hobo making my way round the world for some 7 years - used to send articles back to my then home Island in the Channel Islands (Jersey) which to my astonishment  were  printed - after emmigrating to Australia and Shark Bay specifically in 1970 was,amongst other things such as on a road gang and a coastal master,the official reporter for the ABC,the West Australian,Geraldton Guardian and Northern Times.(Frankly one didn't need any great journalistic ability - the same criteria still applies to this day - they're glad of whomever they can get as they scarcely pay the cost of your postage !)

I see history is of consequence to you - you may find my paper of interest if you've got the patience to down load the five editions on pdf - its on the web at www.sharkbayherald.com.au - not me, but tourists from all over Australia have said it is perhaps the  'best 'newspaper they have across in all rural Australia - I leave you to decide for yourself - I give a money back guarantee if not satisfied - the historical content is the main draw card and locals keep it for that reason - no,I can scarcely type and know little beyond how to get into the email section and the Google - just have a very helpful,partially computor literate and good hearted small group of people that enable me to keep the show on the road  -  write all my copy long-hand - sorry this is so long a screed - regards - Tim Hargreaves P.S. we have one camel driver in town  who has an A + cert.as a computor hardware engineer (!) - he  gets us out of difficulties.Cheers.
 * Note the signature at the end of the last comment; it was Diceman that addressed you on the subject of journalim and computers, not me. Drew (Snottygobble) | Talk 22:58, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Being an (ex) West Australian, I also always thought that "Shark Bay lays claim to being the first place of European contact in all Australia ..." with Dirk Hartog's landing in 1616. But the Willem Janszoon article says "... on February 26 1606 (Janszoon) made landfall at the Pennefather River on the western shore of Cape York in Queensland, near the modern town of Weipa". Chris.beall.au (talk) 23:51, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Naming cons
Should this article be at Shark Bay, Western Australia or Shark Bay (Western Australia).--Peta 03:02, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Given that its more generally identified as a geographical feature rather than as a locality, the naming convention discussed and agreed here should probably apply. AFAIK its an unambiguously named geographic feature and therefore the article should become Shark Bay.  I'll move it accordingly. - I@n 16:30, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

New Category
With the creation of the Shark Bay Category - this article might be changed slightly to adjust for it being the main article for the new category - cheers SatuSuro 02:11, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

World Heritage Property
This article is now changed to describe the world heritage property - and the locality info can now be put into the denham article - thanks SatuSuro 00:58, 7 May 2008 (UTC)