Talk:Sharksploitation

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 * The films listen in the Other Sharksploitation are simply films not (yet) notable enough to have their own articles here. If someone were to add them and link them or add whatever citations are required, to include them on the notable films list.  that would be great.  By all means remove them from the other list as you do.  I will add more as I watch them
 * I have 40 possible Sharksploitation films and shorts ready for viewing and I think that there are over 180. So this is going to take some time.

Objectives

 * 1) A "History of Sharksploitation" section
 * 2) A "Evolution of Sharksploitation" section
 * 3) A "Initial decline in popularity" section
 * 4) A "Shark Week and rise of sharksploitation cinema" section
 * 5) A "Sharknado and indefinite permanent popularity" section

Original List of Films
These are films from the original list that I have not found and watched to confirm if they are sharksploitation or not
 * Blood in the Water (film) (2009)
 * Megalodon (2004 film) (2004)
 * Shark (2000 film) (2000) (AKA "Great White (1998)", AKA "Jaws '98")

Films that have been released, but need to be watched and checked

 * 1) Big Shark (Tommy Wiseau is not a fan of streaming.  You need to catch this at a rare screening, if you want to see it)
 * 2) Doll Shark
 * 3) L'année du requin AKA "Year Of The Shark) (This has now been released)
 * 4) White Shark (Working title: "Man-Eating Shark").  (Chinese)
 * 5) Sharktopus (Chinese)
 * 6) Ninja Vs Shark (Japanese)
 * 7) Snow Monster Vs Ice Shark (Chinese)
 * 8) Something In The Water
 * 9) Well Shark
 * 10) Bull Shark 2
 * 11) Sharkula (2016 German film)
 * 12) Shark Island
 * 13) Sharktopus (2023 Chinese remake)
 * 14) Megalodon Returns (Chinese)
 * 15) "Under Paris "Sous la Seine") (Working title: "Sharks")

capitalization of genres
@Simdude1990 reverted one of my edits, asserting without evidence that film genres should be capitalized. I cannot find anything about film genres specifically, as MOS:GENRECAPS only references literary and musical genres in particular, but the style on Wikipedia in general is not to capitalize unless there's evidence that a word should be capitalized. ~TPW 15:22, 2 December 2022 (UTC)


 * I agree that that the capitalization is not necessary. However, this article is highly problematic in lacking sourcing or using IMDb as a source when that is not reliable. I've removed the tables in their entirety. Erik (talk &#124; contrib) (ping me) 15:43, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
 * You are welcome to locate references and help build and fix this article. Be part of the solution, not part of the problem.  The lists that were removed are now below.  We can edit it below and put it back on the article page wher it is ready.  The "Notable sharksploitation films" list are the ones that have wikipedia articles for already.  that seems like a good place to start 203.8.180.45 (talk) 11:47, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm concerned that there is no actual inclusion criteria here. I am seeing films like Jaws, The Shallows, and Open Water being listed. Are all shark-themed films being treated the same as sharksploitation? We either cut this list down to what are actually called sharksploitation films by reliable sources, or we have a broader list of shark-themed films and identify in some column if a film has been called sharksploitation.
 * In addition, the problem being caused here is the addition of unverifiable information. Any editor has the right to remove unsourced content per WP:BURDEN, which puts it on you to restore the content only with sources. I highly recommend that you define the criteria and start small with what reliable sources explicitly say are sharksploitation films. Pinging for their thoughts as well. Erik (talk &#124; contrib) (ping me) 13:22, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I feel much the same about the criteria. I'm not entirely sure that there are enough sources to establish the term "sharksploitation" as notable at all, which makes determining what items should be in this list a challenge. ~TPW 15:46, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Jaws is the film that kickstarted the sharksploitation genre. Sharksploitation is one of the biggest subgenres of film and is also an anomaly.  It's the only off-center genre that doesn't seem to fade out of popularity from time to time.  Only films that fit the criteria of what makes a sharksploitation film a sharksploitation film or films that cash-in on the popularity of the genre should be included.  Would a production company's own website be a sufficient reliable source? eg: Library - Millennium Media (millennium-media.net) 203.8.180.45 (talk) 17:27, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
 * It's not clear to me if you consider Jaws as sharksploitation. It's possible for a film to not be sharksploitation and still kickstart that genre. I feel like at minimum, we need to start with shark film and/or list of shark films and go from there. Some films like the ones I named above aren't so obviously sharksploitation. In my experience, we should defer to reliable sources that call a film "sharksploitation" or whatever else to justify inclusion. We should avoid looking at films featuring sharks and claiming that it's sharksploitation, even if it's "obvious" to us. And when we talk about reliability, we need to avoid sources like IMDb and blogs. Erik (talk &#124; contrib) (ping me) 14:02, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
 * That page already exists, here 203.8.180.45 (talk) 10:35, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
 * although, it looks like people have added anything with Shark or Jaws in the title 203.8.180.45 (talk) 10:36, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Per WP:CLT, categories, lists, and navigation templates can complement each other. I prefer lists because you can provide inline citations to directly support the film's particular categorization. The problem with categories is that they are added to film articles even when the articles do not mention any aspect of the category. So the existence of that category does not mean a more broad list (than sharksploitation) is not necessary. Not to mention that shark films in general probably have history, of which sharksploitation is a part. Erik (talk &#124; contrib) (ping me) 13:07, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I do like the sortable list myself, which is why I used that template. I suppose that anyone who wants to take part in a more overall project, beyond just sharksploitation.  Could do a "sharks in film" article, which links into the "films about sharks" and "list of killer shark films" pages as well as the "sharksploitation" article.  It would probably mean revamping all of those pages too. 203.8.180.45 (talk) 10:37, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Unencyclopedic language
It seems to me that a lot of the text on this page is "unencyclopedic" (see MOS:TONE) and/or original research (see WP:ORIGINAL). I'm going to try to clean it up to try to make it more in line with Wikipedia's standards, so if there's a lot of edits from me in the next hour, that's why :-). BalinKingOfMoria (talk) 19:13, 12 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Alright, I think I've finished (at least for now). BalinKingOfMoria (talk) 20:12, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Firstly, thankyou for fixing the links to the movie articles here. Whenever I try, it just swaps the movie title with a [#].  I think it would be best for us to collaborate, rather than compete.  There are a couple of things i would like to point out.  (1): If a film is in a language other than English, for the most part, it should be mentioned.  (2): If a film has numerous other titles, they should be stated as a this OR that, rather than this AND that.  Because most users will be familiar with one or the other instead of both names.  (3): In regards to the Open Water series, it should state that the second one is not a sharksploitation film like the first and third.  So as not to provide any misdirection.  (4): Films that are based on actual events should mention that fact.  So users can distinguish between fiction and non-fiction.  (5): Films that have a date in brackets should retain those dates.  So that users can distinguish between the 3 different films that were/are titled "Great White" (as an example).  Those dates are there to ensure everyone knows that they are different films...... Sorry about the format here, my enter button is not working at the moment.  There are more, but this is just a start. 114.198.1.91 (talk) 11:22, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
 * 1. That's a good point, I'll re-add notes about the languages.
 * 2. Agreed, sorry about that. I'll fix it right now.
 * 3. Fair enough—I'll add a note saying that to the entry for Open Water 2.
 * 4. Personally, I think that sort of detail is too movie-specific to be included on this page, since it's supposed to be focused on the sharksploitation aspect of the films. (But this is just my opinion, of course.)
 * 5. Oops, I didn't mean to delete the dates—I'll fix it right now.
 * Thanks for the feedback! BalinKingOfMoria (talk) 23:55, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
 * @114.198.1.91 An update on point #5: I'm kinda hesitant to re-add the dates, since we already give the release year in the previous column. It seems a bit redundant to me, I guess. What do you think? BalinKingOfMoria (talk) 02:07, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
 * @114.198.1.91 An update on #1: I started working on this, but I've decided to stop for two reasons. First, I'm not sure how to find reliable sources (there are quite a few movies on the list for which iMDB and Wikipedia give different languages). And second, I think that giving the year and title is gonna be sufficient for people to find a movie, even if it's not an English-language film. The language itself doesn't really have much to do with the sharksploitation genre, and I'm afraid of putting too much detail on this page. BalinKingOfMoria (talk) 02:32, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
 * @114.198.1.91 Alright, I've just finished 2 and 4. BalinKingOfMoria (talk) 02:43, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Thankyou for that. I think that certain details are necessary, for some.  Most people would be here for the list of movies.  Some are snobby, some would prefer it mentioned that it's based on a true story, in case it triggers something.
 * I think that stating the languages other than English is important. So people ensure their DVD/Stream/Download comes with subtitles/an audio track they understand, before spending money on it.  Most people would assume that the films on this list are in English.
 * Now, some other things:
 * 1: With the Ghost Shark movies. I think that it should state that something like there was originally.  They are not direct sequels to each other and unrelated, even though one's title makes it look like a sequel.  Much like the case with the film: Troll 2.
 * 2: Same sort of thing for the Jurassic Shark movies. There are essentially 2 different second movies in the franchise.  One by the person who made the first, one by someone else entirely (Who is bringing out a 3rd soon)
 * 3: I believe that it is important to include the previous information regarding Shark! (1969). As Jaws is said to be the first sharksploitation film, however that comes down to the individuals interpretation of what makes a sharksploitation film.  That piece of info halps someone decide where to begin.
 * 4: Surely the information regarding Dickshark is relevant? There are a lot of people who would consider it pornography instead.
 * 5: With the two different films called "Atomic Shark" in the same year. I think that the more information is a benefit.  A lot of the different streaming services algorithms jumble up the information between the movies, including the cast and crew.  I believe that there's just some code that imports the info from IMDb.  To give you some perspective, it would appear that the Lisa Palenica film is being hosted on a number of services.  Yet, it's not available anywhere.  Every service that appears to have it, has the other one instead.
 * 6: In regards to Sharknado: Heart of Sharkness, I think that the tiny bit more information, in a previous edit. Is important for those accessing this list.  I for one would have liked to have known before spending time looking for it.

I was going to thank you for fixing up the genres, however, this is how I initially had it and someone changed it. (I do prefer it like this though, thankyou).
 * 7: The Other films worth mentioning section, is a list of films and shorts that cash-in on the sharksploitation genre through artwork or the title (ie: sold as/advertised as a sharksploitation film). A lot of them had links to where the creator had uploaded it, to watch for free.  What better citation than a link to where the reader can see for themselves?  I do think that this is an important part of the article, although I was planning on incorporating it in to an adjacent article.  I for one would have liked that information available before I tracked them all down.  I understand that you were not the one to remove this part of the article.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.198.1.91 (talk) 11:06, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

References Question
Im not too sure at what is considered a reliable source. Would https://letterboxd.com/film/everything-will-kill-you-rip/ be reliable, for that particular short film? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.206.121.25 (talk) 10:05, 20 September 2023 (UTC)