Talk:Shas

Relative flexibility towards Palestinian

 *  Its views on policy toward the Palestinians has been relatively flexible, thus often allowing it to control the balance of power between Israel's two large parties, Labor and Likud.

Why is that? One would have expected the opposite. Meursault2004 14:58, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

A more accurate (but more POV) explanation: Shas have no "policy toward the Palestinians" and therfore can choose which party (and "policy toward the Palestinians") to join. Av.P 23:43, 8 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Interesting ... OK thanks! Meursault2004 23:49, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

Confused Association
The article reads:

''Shas is known for its .. support for generous social payments .. Thus, economically it can be said to be for social conservatism..''

This is confusing, as social conservatism would appear to have nothing to do with generous social payments.

I am tempted to adjust the text, but will wait a reasonable time for a clarification. Thanks.

--Philopedia 04:11, 6 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, this appears to be a mix up. The party is definitely socially conservative (i.e. for preserving Jewish tradition/religion, anti-gay/secular etc.), but economically speaking it is very left-wing and very much for the welfare state (or at least payments for people in Yeshivas and big child allowances...) --Number 57 09:18, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Also, I have removed the political platform since it contradicts what is on the SHAS website. Futhermore, I have also deleted several paragraphs, since Rabbi Mordechai Eliyahu is rather seen as a nemesis of the party and thus supports Mafdal, not SHAS. They arent for Keynesian Economics or Neo-Zionism. Anyone who reverses the changes, it mispresenting the topic.

Mistake in English transliteration of Hebrew?
I believe that the English transliteration of Shas's former Hebrew name is incorrect. It says: "HaTa'akhdut HaSfaradim HaOlamit Shomrei Torah". However, the Hebrew original suggests that the first word is pronounced "Hitakhadut". This would also be grammatically correct since התאחדות הספרדים is obviously a so called smikhut and therefore cannot take two consecutive direct articles.

Anyone agree or disagree?

84.114.51.86 (talk) 10:00, 27 May 2008 (UTC)


 * You are spot on - there is no such thing as a "Ta'akhdut". I've amended it accordingly. пﮟოьεԻ   5  7  10:06, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

It should be "hit'ahdut". Your transliteration is according to the Ashkenazic pronunciation. It is inappropriate considering this is a Sephardic organization. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rhayat (talk • contribs) 17:01, February 20, 2011 (UTC)

Meaning of name
It'd be nice to say what the name "Shas" means. john k (talk) 17:57, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

It was originally Shat - for "Shomrei Torah". But, it turned out that those letters were already taken by another political party, so they had to change it to "Shas", which can also refer to the "six orders of the Mishna" or, by extension, the Talmud. Thus, it is symbolic of Judaism in general. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rhayat (talk • contribs) 16:59, February 20, 2011 (UTC)

Template added: outdated
As of Israel's recent elections and formation of the new government, much of this page is out-of-date and requires rewriting. -- Deborahjay (talk) 11:50, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Introduction
The longstanding introduction to this article begins: "Shas (Hebrew: ש״ס, an acronym for Shomrei Sfarad, lit. Sfarad's guards (of the Torah))" An editor has recently changed this to "Shas (Hebrew: ש״ס, an acronym for שומרי ספרד Shomrei Sfarad, 'Sephardic Guardians')" I do not believe the latter to be an improvement, so have reverted to the original. The main problem is that using a mixture of Hebrew and English text in the sentence "an acronym for שומרי ספרד Shomrei Sfarad" does not read properly. Number  5  7  12:29, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Party leaders
Hi, I think there should be two boxes, not one, for party leaders. Rabbi Shalom Cohen did not just start on the Moetzet Chachmei HaTorah in 2013. It would make more sense to have a separate box for the five current members of the Moetzet Chachmei HaTorah and the dates they took office. I have just expanded Shimon Baadani to a respectable length, and he needs to be mentioned on this page. As I have little experience creating boxes, I hope another editor will take care of this. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 23:37, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

Shas is mainly North-fArican by leadership and is Anti-Palestinian
I'm an Arab-Aramean ex-jew from Israel. I want to clarify, Shas is one of the most misunderstood phenomena. It's leaders are all North-Africans by origin (Haredi), especially Moroccan. They claim and protest against Ashkenazi repression, but not to stop the crimes against Palestinians.But to gain a share of the both regime, and better control of the Mizrahi population. They are Anti-Palestiian and Anti-Arab, this is not recognized, for they are opportunist and change according to the regime. But in essence they are Anti-Palestinians, for example Aryeh Derie took central part in the Judaisation of Galilee. A famous expression of Ovedia Yosef that "all arab should die/serve us" made it's way to the press, but he and almost all of the leaders are like that, the others beside Ovadia maybe more tactical and rhetotical.

Shas is enthusiastically serving the Israeli regime and it's Zionist Narrative, with strong influence on North-African Jews. But they try to delate any other Mizrahi community here in term of identity, that is, they ask from the Yemeni, Kurdish, cts, not to be Yemeni or Kurdish, but to be "Sephardi" or "Mizrahi" in more religious terms, and they indeed use Judaism for that. In other word, it's dominated by North-African haredi that want to control all the "Mizrahi" population under pretex of ("we are all") "Mizrahi-Haredi", and hence take a share in the regime and become it's, in a way, puppet.

Academic secular Mizrahi (mainly Iraqis) severley critisized them. But most of the North-African secular academics themselves support, this way or another, in the movement. Ovadia Yosef was Iraqi by origin, but this was used for them as a cover, and they see in the Iraqis the "sephardic bridge" to control all of the other Miuzrahi Haredi communities.

The cover they get generally as representatives of "Mizrahi" is than misurable and only serves their own self-representation and propaganda. Indeed the Mizrahi crowds many of them fall in there hands, mainly emotionally (using also the religion) asto feel some worthy or comforn from the Ashkenazi repression. Indeed Shas uses the Ashkenazi repression, and combines it with religion to buy those voices and gain power. They did nothing to secular Mizrahi nor other religious group but mainly to their own shas-controlled institutions.

As i said, i want to stress: they protest for the Anti-Mizrahi of the Ashkenmazi insitution, but are themselves Anti-Arab, Anti-Palestinian, and anti all other non North-African "Mizrahi" communities, using religion and Mizrahi Haredism (Sephardism) for that. One can look for part of what i said here in the reports or articles of Avishai Ben-Hayim. Much info. available about Arie Derie as well. His corruption and many of it's leaders as well. I preffer not to tide but i'll do it if asked by the managers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.111.208.168 (talk) 19:28, 25 April 2020 (UTC)