Talk:Shato

This is a merger of Shato Turks and Shatuo Turks. See Discussion pages there.--Joostik (talk) 21:58, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Moved from Shato Turks: Merge Shato Turks with Shatuo Turks.
Editor AlefZet suggested to merge Shato Turks with Shatuo Turks. Please also note that suggested title Shatuo Turks has 3 major flaws:
 * First and second, it suggests to replace the self-name "Shato" of a people with 100,000 Google hits by a colloquial exoethnonym (my guess is it is a Chinese version) with phonetics of "Shatuo" that brings only 6,000 Google hits,
 * and third it includes the word Turks that is not a part of the self-name, akin to British Germans or Russian Eskimo.

My offer is to merge both articles into one with a plain title "Shato". Disambiguation page would be needed for shato - pavillion, and Shato - people. --Barefact (talk) 17:25, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Moved from Shatuo Turks
The last section needs to be rewritten. It is ridiculous to say that the Shatuo Turks are the "first foreign ethnic group" to rule over China. The Northern Wei (founded by the Xianbei) preceded them by hundreds of years, and was much more instrumental in the history of steppe dynasties in China. Also, the phrasing ("innovations on how to rule the Chinese") is insulting for an encyclopedic article as it implies that "ruling Chinese" is some sort of skill or occupation. Would you say that "the Germans made innovations on how to rule the French?" If not, then don't say the same for Chinese. 65.50.0.4 (talk) 03:07, 14 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Personally I found that last paragraph pretty pointless, so I omitted it from the merger. Of course if anyone insists on adding it, go ahead--Joostik (talk) 23:11, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Merge to Shatuo Turks
see Talk:Shatuo Turks. --Pengyanan (talk) 06:40, 1 December 2009 (UTC)