Talk:Shaun Murphy

Challenge Tour events
At the moment Murphy's two Challenge Tour titles are included in the non-ranking titles chart, and included in his professional title count. I think maybe this is incorrect because the Challenge Tour was open to amateurs as well so should technically come under the pro-am section, and arguably shouldn't be included in his title count. I know in many ways it is analagous to the current PTC tour, which we technically classify as a minor-ranking event (since it offers ranking points to pros), and we include those in the title counts, but the Challenge Tour never offered ranking points so there isn't the same argument to recognise it as a professional event, especially when most of the entrants were amateurs. Challenge Tour titles were often won by amateurs, but I would be surprised if a PTC event is ever won by an amateur so I think we should make a distinction between the status of the two events. Betty Logan (talk) 19:34, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
 * The Challenger Tour was a secondary professional tour, and thus every event of it was professional (even if amateurs entered too). Armbrust  Talk  Contribs  22:58, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Armbrust and the Euro Players Tour Championship 2010/2011 – Event 1
I have removed the event because it is only a "minor ranking" tournament with only a fraction of the number of points as other tournaments, and his result was only a semi-final. That he won the previous two makes little difference (and it was even under a different name). The matter itself isn't too critical (e.g. no egregious BLP violation is taking place). What's important is that I'm beginning to get tired of 's persistent edit warring and interference. He seems to enjoy wielding final editorial control and imposing his style preferences on the article, to the objections of others. The article is up for GA, I'm trying to address the reviewer's concerns. However, I'm finding some of Armbrust's participation less than beneficial and it's slightly discouraging me from editing the article. Like I said, the content is borderline and I'm happy to let the GA reviewer or others rule on whether this particular piece should be included. Christopher Connor (talk) 02:51, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm perfectly happy for GA reviewers to make suggestions and enforce style guidelines, but I don't think they're best placed to decide what is relevant content or not over editors who regularly work on the snooker articles. While I agree we don't need to cover every single PTC event - they should be covered collectively in a sentence or two - this particular PTC event had previously established an identity independent to the PTC Tour as the Paul Hunter Classic and Murphy was the defending champion. It is currently the leading European event so there is a case for including the result.  If it's that much of an issue though it would be better dropping a message at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Snooker and get a couple more opinions. I can't imagine it would be a barrier to GA status though, so personally I would address this issue later and focus on the deal-breakers for GA. Betty Logan (talk) 08:13, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Table and ranking events
The table needs a better way of distinguishing between ranking events. I originally moved some of the non-ranking events to his results e.g. the 2008 Malta Cup but then encountered problems on how to set it apart. Right now I've italicsed non-rankings but it's clumsy and introduced its own problems. I suppose notes on exactly when a tournament was ranking or not could work. German Masters also needs to be moved down. Christopher Connor (talk) 11:13, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Why should the German Masters moved down? It is ranking event in the current season. Armbrust  Talk  Contribs  11:16, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah yes it is. I forgot (even though I was looking at the page before I posted that). Christopher Connor (talk) 11:20, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
 * It can happen. For the other problem: i think if the line says it was ranking, then we should not include results. Like in tennis biographie and statistics articles. (If the event was not a Masters event, then the result is not included either). Armbrust  Talk  Contribs  11:26, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't think we should exclude a result just because it was not a ranking event which was how it originally was (or should we?). It's just a matter of how best to distinguish it. Christopher Connor (talk) 11:34, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
 * If we want to include them in the table, then we could omit the usual background color and define a new color for it. Armbrust  Talk  Contribs  11:39, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Unpopularity
Murphy himself accepts that he is an upopular sportsman, so why delete the very source and details of his unpopularity which even he admits to? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.203.255.1 (talk) 23:08, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Read the article Armburst, Murphy says (in relation to the boos) "I try to liken it some golfers I've seen. Not every golfer in the world is liked 100 per cent by everybody." and goes on to say: "I could either let it inspire me, or sit on my chair, have a bit of a cry, ask them to leave, and start again and let them achieve what they wanted to achieve". Neil Robertson adds: ""It can't be nice being on the wrong end of it. You can handle it better if there are at least a few cheers for you, but if it's all one way it's a bit unsportsmanlike". The author of the article writes "Spectators who again turned on the world No.3 on Thursday night were thrown out. Murphy is well aware that for some he is Cristiano Ronaldo, Frank Lampard and Ashley Cole rolled into one". To try and suggest that this issue does not exist or is not important to the Shaun Murphy article is unquestionably wrong. Balanced against the space given to the McGuire rivalry, this mention of his unpopularity is more than fair and to the point. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.203.254.1 (talk) 23:19, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Saying, that not everybody likes me isn't the same as accepting unpopularity. Robertson says, that it's not nice to be booed at. The reference added doesn't say anything about popularity. Armbrust  Talk to me  Contribs  23:25, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

The author of the article writes "Spectators who again turned on the world No.3 on Thursday night were thrown out. Murphy is well aware that for some he is Cristiano Ronaldo, Frank Lampard and Ashley Cole rolled into one". Are you suggesting that this does not mark Murphy out as disliked? In comparision to any other snooker player, you wont find such articles about them, Murphy, as he himself admits, is disliked and given the amount of space dedicated to the Mcguire incident, this reference to this part of his life, deserves more than amere mention. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.203.255.1 (talk) 23:30, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * What you cited from the source only means, that not everybody likes Murphy, which isn't the same as unpopularity. Armbrust  Talk to me  Contribs  00:05, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Are you also going to continue to delete the Outspoken section? I could privide you with a list to fill many pages on his outspken comments, try and find any other player who comes any where near his level of public statements, it'll take a long long time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.203.255.1 (talk) 00:10, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

In the source from the sun, http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/article580249.ece Murphy is quoted as saying, No one likes me and I don't care, thus the section has become, "unliked" and to delete it would be to disagree with the man himself, he clearly admits in many instances that he is "unliked". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.203.255.1 (talk) 00:52, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

cents
how can anyone be sure how many centuries he has made when every page says different. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.199.245.66 (talk) 17:10, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
 * The pages say different numbers, because they were released at different times. The most up to date should be used. Armbrust The Homunculus 17:15, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

2015 World championship, possible start of 2015/16 season
Aside form the summary table, there is no mention of Shaun's performance in the 2015 World Championship (runner-up) or elaboration on his match victories on course to the final, and this would conclude the report of his 2014/15 season.

Matches of World Championship 2015:
 * First round: Murphy 10-3 Robin Hull
 * Second round: Murphy 13-5 Joe Perry
 * Quarter final: Murphy 13-8 Anthony McGill
 * Semi final: Murphy 17-9 Barry Hawkins
 * Lost in final: Murphy 15-18 Stuart Bingham

In terms of the current season, the only notable point would be his early first round exit of the Australian Open.

Hopefully somebody can do these edits; I would do them myself, but am unable to due to the restrictions in place on this page.

2015 World Championship
Murphy actually led Bingham 8-4 at one point, not just 8-5. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.30.126.24 (talk) 21:53, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Add categories

 * Please add and . 178.94.166.186 (talk) 17:08, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Non-actual already. Added by me. 178.94.166.186 (talk) 19:41, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

Please add Club Affiliation as a category. Murphy is the Club Professional of the Stephen's Green Club, Dublin. Celebrity Legal Eagle (talk) 12:24, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 February 2016
A non ranking runners up finish has to be added to this section. Murphy was Runner up to Mark Gray in the WPBSA Open Tour Event 1 in 2002.Mark Gray beat Murphy 5-2 in the final.can you add this to his non ranking section please ?.

92.251.191.246 (talk) 15:05, 11 February 2016 (UTC)


 * A link to the event i asked to be added is WPBSA Open Tour Event 1 in 2002 92.251.191.246 (talk) 15:07, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.  Anarchyte  ( work  &#124;  talk )   05:58, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 March 2016
can you please add a Runner up finish to Murphy's non ranking finals section. The event that needs to be added is as follows. WPBSA Open Tour Event 1 2002. Murphy lost 2-5 in the final to Mark Gray. Can you add this event please ?.

217.114.169.243 (talk) 00:36, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 13 March 2016
I am sorry i do not know how to add a source for my previous request if you visit "International Open Series" you will see Murphy was the runner up in the first event of this non ranking event. Thanks

217.114.169.243 (talk) 00:43, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: See Citing sources  B E C K Y S A Y L E S  06:35, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 December 2016
Somebody has to edit the century breaks and the prize money because the information is too outdated. Shaun has now earned more than 3 million in prize money (not 2) and has more than 400 century breaks. Therefore: 1) 213.167.10.151 (talk) 07:24, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
 * --I think your request is incomplete.Also provide reliable sources supporting the edits you want. Light ❯❯❯ Saber 16:02, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

Family update
As confirmed on the BBC's commentary this morning, Shaun is now married to Elaine and they have a son called Harry. No mention of the dates etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.153.22.151 (talk) 09:44, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 10 December 2017
'On 12 November 2017, Murphy won the Champion of Champions title beating Ronnie O'Sullivan in the final.' After the above sentence (line 10) add the following sentence as line 11:

'On 10 December 2017, O'Sullivan won the UK Championship title beating Shaun Murphy in the final.'

The reference is: Clemcook (talk) 22:13, 10 December 2017 (UTC)


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Semi-protected edit request on 22 February 2018
Century break = 448 Ylombardo (talk) 21:22, 22 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Pictogram voting wait.svg Already done. Someone has updated the count to 448. If you mean to offer prosnookerblog.com as a source for the count, sorry, I don't think it is a reliable source.  Anon 126   (notify me of responses! / talk / contribs) 02:44, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 March 2018
Ylombardo (talk) 18:41, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 March 2018
Ylombardo (talk) 20:27, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 19 August 2018
Century break = 459 Ylombardo (talk) 17:32, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 19 August 2018
Change Century break = 457 to Century break = 459 Ylombardo (talk) 17:36, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
 * ❌ I can't find evidence for this on the website provided, and a blog isn't a reliable source anyway. Nor is cuetracker, before you ask. Fish +Karate  13:28, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 April 2019
In round one of the 2019 Crucible World Championship Shaun achieved a "whitewash", beating Luo Honghao [Chn] 10-0, thus ending the 27-year period that John Parrott had held the distinction (beating Eddie Charlton 10-0 in round one of the 1992 Crucible World Championship). 2.29.194.109 (talk) 10:00, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. &#8209;&#8209; El Hef  ( Meep? ) 13:16, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Clearly notable, and very easy to source. I'll add it in. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 15:11, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 September 2019
under: career -> 2013/2014 -> paragraph 6: "... requiring three snookers ...", change to: "... requiring a snooker ..." (there was only one snooker needed in this frame,not three) 217.132.3.193 (talk) 11:12, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

Not done:: The source doesn't mention snookers at all so I have removed the claim completely. Betty Logan (talk) 18:23, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

Something needs adding in the Rivalry section RE Murphy's latest outburst about his first round loss in the UK. Hi comments, "He played like a man who does not have a care in the world, because he does not have a care in the world. It is not fair, it is not right.

"I am not picking on him as a young man, he deserved his victory. Amateurs should not be allowed in professional tournaments, the end.

"This is our livelihood. This is how I put food on the table. This is how I earn money. Since turning professional at 15, I have earned the right to call myself a professional snooker player. He hasn't done that. He shouldn't be on the table." https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/snooker/59392405 further add to his feuds with fellow snooker players. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.203.254.1 (talk) 18:14, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
 * That's not really a feud, is it. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 18:17, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

what's whether it is a feud or not got to do with anything? it is however a further example of Murphy's outspoken views and how he expresses his opinions about other players, the game and the governing body. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.203.254.1 (talk) 00:06, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Club Affiliation
Since September of 2019, Murphy has been the Club Professional of the Stephen's Green Club, Dublin. Celebrity Legal Eagle (talk) 12:19, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
 * We don't add clubs for players - it's not notable. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 12:45, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 November 2023
I would like to request that one of the editors (or Shaun himself) edits this page to reflect the fact that he has been separated from his wife, Elaine, since 2021. Suggested text: ‘Shaun separated from his wife, Elaine, in 2021 following a breakdown of their marriage.’

Source: Elaine O’Reilly

Thanks Elaine 2A02:8084:41E1:DD80:80ED:8A61:F8DC:4335 (talk) 19:21, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Cannolis (talk) 19:55, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * What’s more reliable than the comment from the individual themself! 2A02:8084:41E1:DD80:80ED:8A61:F8DC:4335 (talk) 19:59, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * This article from April 2023 says "Murphy is happily married now to Elaine". However this  says "Shaun Murphy has revealed he is in the middle of getting divorced." The latter seems to be a reliable source and so could be used. Nigej (talk) 20:16, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 January 2024
Change the statement "Murphy leads the head to head 14-11 to "14-14". They are currently tied... SOURCE: Cuetracker 193.3.34.12 (talk) 16:34, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
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