Talk:Shauna S. Roberts

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I have taken the liberty of returning the reference to the Clarion Writers Workshop that was previously deleted. The editor who removed it indicated that s/he was "removing a commercial web site." However, Clarion is not a commercial entity, and the link was to a Wikipedia article. Further, attendance at the Clarion workshop is one of the most significant credentials (apart from publication and formal awards) that a writer of science fiction or fantasy can have, as is apparent from the Wikipedia article on the subject. Removing it was incorrect. Kschneyer (talk) 02:23, 29 April 2010 (UTC)


 * "The fee is $50 (non-refundable)." Paying money = commercial. Piano non troppo (talk) 15:45, 29 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Since the application fee for every college and graduate school in America is also nonrefundable, or at least was when I was applying to college, by your logic those references should be deleted as well.


 * Clarion is run by the 501(c)(3) Clarion Foundation, which is about as close to the black-letter definition of "noncommercial" as you can get in the United States. Seventy-five writers are now engaged in a "write-a-thon" to raise money for the Foundation this summer. It regularly awards scholarships (sometimes full scholarships, as in the case of the Octavia Butler grant) to students who cannot afford the tuition.


 * Clarion is also the oldest (and arguably the best respected) training program for writers of fantasy and science ficiton in America. It was founded by Damon Knight and Kate Wilhelm, and has among its alumni (and current instructors) some of the most prominent names in the field. It is commonplace for writers to list it, not only in their published biographical statements, but also in their submission letters to publishing houses, magazines and literary agents.


 * I am (1) a published writer of science fiction and fantasy; (2) a Clarion graduate myself; (3) a member of the Science Fiction & Fantasy Writers of America; (3) a licensed attorney who has worked with nonprofits to obtain their 501(c)(3) status; (4) a senior university professor with expertise in contracts, discrimination and copyright. While I respect your judgment, in this particular instance I think you don't know what you're talking about. (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 04:22, 4 July 2010 (UTC).


 * I have now returned the link for the third time. If Piano chooses to change them back again, I will take this as an invitation to go to arbitration. (talk) 02:23, 5 July 2010 (UTC)