Talk:Shawn Michaels/Archive 1

Vitalstatistics
I don't think HBK is 6 ft 1 in. More like 6 ft 0 in? Any comments?(Halbared 10:19, 10 June 2006 (UTC))

Re: Well, if Stone COld Steve Austin truly is 6'2, than I wouldnt be surprised if Shawn Michaels was 6'1 because he doesnt look that much shorter than Austin in that first pic. Also, I thought Michaels was one of the few who used his real stats. Well, not his weight anymore, he definitely lost a lot of weight (it helps w/ his knees and back), but they cant bill him as less, so, aw well. I've seen Shawn billed as both 6' and 6'1 throughout his career, so I'm not 100%

I am 5'11" and have been face to face with Shawn back in 1998. He had maybe 1" of height on me. 6' is probably an accurate height for him.

Shawn Michaels is 6'1 because when he went face to face with RVD and Chris Jericho, he looked taller than them. RVD and Chris Jericho are 6'.

I believe his real name is Michael Shawn HiGGenbottom. Spelt with two G's instead of "ck"


 * no, its "ck". I thought it was "gg" for a while too because it was mis-spelled like that in "Unscripted", but in his book (and everywhere else I've seen it, it's spelled with a "ck". Katie 22:23, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Hoax?
The following was entered by an anon. whose other edit was a hoax: "And with regard to his previous association with the group D-Generation X (DX) and their raunchy language and behavior, Shawn Michaels has given up such behavior and refrained from sexual innuendo and cursing on RAW. This, because, of his Christian conversion." --Wetman 10:39, 10 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Bad grammar aside, this is true. --Chrysaor 05:37, 11 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Read Here (Has the facts and is a real good real aswell) http://www.wwe.com/superstars/dgenerationx/dxretrospective SKRIBUL 20:48, 22 August 2006 (UTC) Unknown commenter - post in the right place or your comment will be deleted...

Sherri Martel
I think things would be clearer referring to Sherri Martel as Sherri instead of Martel. The latter makes me, and I suspect others, think more of Rick Martel.

GalaxiaGuy 20:14, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Agreed. WWF never used her last name after the 80's. SilentRage 04:14, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

HBKaholic 18:23, 27 June 2007 (UTC) Yeah I totally agree, Martel complicates things.

Sherri used her last name, without any other nicknames, in the AWA. It was never used during her WWF run. Smobro68 06:21, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Excessive list of quotes

 * "I'm the showstopper, the headliner, the main event, the icon!"
 * "When I go down, I'm takin' everybody with me, and I'm going out in a blaze of glory!"
 * "The Heartbreak Kid lays down for absolutely nobody!"
 * "The Heartbreak Kid can keep it up all night!"
 * "Kicking it with the kliq."
 * "I am simply the greatest Sports Entertainer in the world!"
 * "D-Generation X rules the wrestling world!"
 * "I am going to give you a show that you have never ever seen before. Why?... because I can."
 * "D-Generation X! You make the rules, we break em!"
 * "I did not sleep with that young intern. As a matter of fact, I was up all night!" (This was a mockery of Bill Clinton's scandal with Monica Lewinsky)
 * "Whatcha Gonna Do Brother...When Reality Kicks You In The Face" (A Mockery to Hulk Hogan).
 * "Whatcha gonna do when the Heartbreak Kid won't lay down for you" (Another mockery to Hogan)
 * "If you hear a rumor about Shawn Michaels then its GOT to be true. "
 * "If I had a dollar for everytime a stiff like you threatened to take me out, I'd be a millionaire. Wait, I am a millionaire and it’s because of stiffs like you. "
 * "Don't hunt what you can't kill. "
 * "You know, for someone who talks about being screwed all the time you sure do complain a lot. "
 * "Bret, I screwed you once, and I'd do it again"
 * "Shawn is gay? Shawn is not gay. Why don't you go ask your mama if Shawn is gay. "
 * "Now Ken, I'm gonna give you this microphone and let's see if you can try to put a couple of words together. We call that a sentence, Ken. "
 * "Nobody knows Canada, like I nose Canada. "
 * "It has been just an amazingly humbling experience for me to have these men & women come up & think that we’re something special. When everybody knows that they are the real deal, they’re the heroes." (Talking about the US Military)
 * Please verify and transwiki these over to Wikiquote. Hall Monitor 19:36, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

I just fixed a sentence that makes a little more sense and true to what happen on Raw dating 12/26/05 J. C.

Sweet Chin Music origins
Shawn Michaels began his career in Texas, and for a time competed in World Class Championship Wrestling, as well as Texas All-Star and Southwest Championship Wrestling. Chris Adams was wrestling in all of these federations, and I will check to see if these two ever faced each other; but in any event, Shawn was amazed at the abilities Chris had as well as his finisher, the superkick. So Shawn studied the manuever, but did not really begin using it until after joining the WWF. Marty Jannetty also used the superkick as well. Once Shawn became famous, he would nickname his superkick "Sweet Chin Music". See the article "Superkick" for details, and also check out www.thesuperkick.net.

It was after Shawn superkicked his fellow Rocker member (forgot his name) through a store window that he started calling it Sweet Chin Music. On a side note, this was also when he got the nickname HBK. (Sawyer 21:02, 13 June 2007 (UTC))

Reasons on trimming intro.
Lets dissect the points:


 * 1) "He calls himself "The showstopper, the icon, the headliner, the main event." -Lets face it, these may be his words, but they really don't fit well with an encyclopedia introduction. In fact it's in the Nicknames section.
 * 2) Throughout his continuing career, he has been known for many of his legendary Pay-per-view matches. True, but it's better explained in the actual article itself, rather than a short blurb.
 * 3) Shawn Michaels was the first wrestler to be in a ladder match, Iron Man Match, Hell In A Cell, and the Elimination Chamber Match. -Mentioned, mentioned, mentioned, and false. (He was in the first one, but ot the first man to compete. RVD and Triple H were).
 * 4) While in the process of carrying World Wrestling Entertainment (WWE) from 1995 through 1997, he became the first wrestler to win every major title in WWE history, also known as the Grand Slam Champion. Carrying? Little POV for my tastes, but he was one of the main draws, I can't argue. The point about the Grand Slam champion is mentioned in the Titles sectoin.
 * 5) Shawn Michaels was also one of the most controvertic(sic) wrestlers ever with things like D-Generation X, his in-ring gestures and speech, No mention of X-Pac? Seriously though, it's mentioned in this section.
 * 6) and with the Montreal Screwjob, which contained his most famous rival on and behind the scenes, with the legendary Bret Hart. -Mentioned here, there, and everywhere.
 * 7) Shawn Michaels is considered one of the greatest in-ring performers ever.-It's a good point, but POV. Not everyone likes Michaels.

In honesty, I do not agree with including it because the information is redundant, and the summary itself is very lacking, and seems more like the introduction to a high school essay, rather than an encyclopedia.--Toffile 04:11, 31 January 2006 (UTC)


 * "Legendary", "carrying WWE" and "greatest" are all pov junk. Moreover, Michaels was not the first wrestler to be in a ladder match; the match was used in Calgary before Bret Hart brought it to the WWE. PhaseDMA, you have already broken the 3 revert rule. If you don't like the removal of the paragraph then take it up at requests for comment. McPhail 17:56, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Wow. It sure takes some serious nerve to tell me about the 3 revert rule. But let me bring up another rule. Ignore the rules.. Another thing I would like to bring up is the "Don't be a dick" in the same article.

Also... Shawn Michaels is a icon. If nothing more in the storyline, and seeing as these articles for wrestling related wikipedia articles go between both there is nothing wrong with using this "POV". There is clearly a precedent has been set in this regard (never mind if they are even a POV or not in the first place).

Now... Lets make clear. You don't think that these words like "icon" and such are a POV - If you did you would attempt to remove them from the triva section too. However just like anyone else you realize attempting to remove them from that section wouldn't fly.

Now do us all a favor and quit it. Or at least quit it until you can come up with a legitimate reason to remove it.

Good riddance--Anthony 01:28, 1 February 2006 (UTC)


 * As a note, I see no mention of legendary, icon, etc. in the trivia section. In the nicknames section? Yes. They are nicknames he's uses or used. I don't agree with most of the introduction because it's mostly redundant repeating lines that are used in the article itself. If you want to expand it and actually give a basic overview of his career such as the one on Triple H, go ahead. I'm working on a couple of other things right now. The introduction in the version you prefer isn't a good summary, and it seems like it's more hype than actual facts. --Toffile 01:42, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

If you want to claim it's overdone that's one thing. Trying to claim it as a POV is quite another. I'm not so much (if at all) against it being removed. I'm against people attempting to remove it with bogus (or half thought out) reasons.--Anthony 03:22, 1 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Fair enough. I think a little of it is POV (though I do like Micheals), but my main problem is with the way it's written and how most of the information seems to be copied line from line from other parts of the text. There were only really 2 lines that had a little POV problems, and it's a bit POV to say he was the only one carrying the company. The other one is an opinion, but it's somewhat widely held that he is one of the best wrestlers.--Toffile 13:11, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Once again I do agree. It is quite repetitive.

Trying to stay unbiased (and I admit - This may be the single worst article when it comes to being unbiased)... I do think he did carry the company by himself between Wrestlemania 12, and Wrestlemania 14. It's no small feat when the WWE loves to say you were one best champions (in and out of the ring)... Of course I think this is a bit storyline, but for the most part the truth.

Before 1996? I would have to agree he wasn't the sole one carring the company - But he had his first (of what would become many more) top 10 matche (and we are talking in the history of the company... Not just Shawn's) at Wrestlemania 10.

Bottom line is I do think he did carry the company for the last 2 years before he retired.

However, I don't think it's importent enough to mention carrying the company in the intro. Or maybe it's only importent enough if it gets it's own section in the article. But either way it doesn't belong in the intro (What do you think of it getting a section based on what I said though?).--Anthony 14:51, 1 February 2006 (UTC)


 * That doesn't sound too bad. If I get a chance, I'd try getting a hand at rewriting it. Right now, I'm still in limbo waiting for some more feedback at the match types page. (Which is the PW page in most desparate need of reorganinizing) --Toffile 19:46, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Pedro Morales(?) as first grand slam champion ? --unsigned

I'd say most wrestling fans would not argue that Michaels is one of the greatest in-ring performers ever. There are a few that are very loyal to Bret Hart, who has a longtime hatred of Michaels and a few other wrestlers and so deems them as untalented because his logic is that if they don't get along with him, they have no talent. Shawn Michaels refers to anybody who hates him as a Canada because stereotypical Bret Hart fans, "marks" as wrestling fans would say, are from Canada. It is practically impossible to be seen as unbiased when writing about Shawn Michaels because Bret Hart "marks" believe that anything positive about Shawn Michaels is factually inaccurate and anything negative about him is accurate and not pov. Because Bret Hart wanted to take the WWE Championship belt to WCW and toss it in a trash can in 1997 and Shawn Michaels was the guy whom Vince McMahon had take the belt from Hart in the country where he refused to lose a match, Michaels has the hatred of these fans. These same fans deny that when Alundra Blaze, who threw her WWE Womens Title belt in the garbage on WCW TV had her contract expire, signed with WCW and told Vince she'd send him the belt back and Mike Awesome would later pull the same thing Hart tried to pull in ECW, just ECW promoter Paul Heyman got a court order to prevent that from happening and force Awesome to drop the belt. That's why writing about Michaels is extremely tough. Because he stopped a wrestler who has a dedicated fan following from disgracing the WWE Championship belt. The criticisms towards Michaels are just as unfounded as the ones towards his best friend Triple H that have now subsided. Triple H used to be a constant World Champion in WWE. He was facing opponents that were clearly unworthy of the title throughout 2003 but once WWE built enough starpower in 2004, he lost the championship and has not been champ in about 18 months, instead he's spent the time making even more stars. People criticised him then because they felt he shouldn't have been champion but now that he's making stars, the same people want him to once again be champion. The criticisms aimed at Michaels for his backstage actions have as little substance as the ones Triple H had to deal with. 205.166.61.142 15:58, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Links
Does anyone else think all these fan sites are way over done? IMO in order to have a fan site on the wikipedia article it should actually have (unique) content AND be designed well.

Anyone and everyone shouldn't be allowed to have a link to their fan site.--Anthony 01:09, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
 * m:External Links seems to suggest what you're saying. Looking at those 3 links...they probably shoould get removed. Let me go check to see how some of the other pages have it though.--Toffile 13:40, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Recently, I've noticed on some other wrestler pages that people are creating fake Myspace pages of the wrestlers and linking them in Wikipedia's external links. I think that should be something to watch out for. 205.166.61.142 16:00, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I just removed one. When I went to the linked site, his only proof was linking to this article. SilentRage 04:28, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Autobiography

 * We seriously need a page on his superb book, Heartbreak and Triumph - Or should we incorporate it into this page? I would start one, but I'd muck it up in some way.
 * Why not start something? Someone else can always clean it up.--Anthony 15:09, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Agreed unless there's an Administrator Tyrant that frequents the page. OsFan 20:18, 12 March 2006 (UTC)


 * About six hundred million books have been dedicated to Jesus or to the author's family. This information is not notable and doesn't belong in the article. Bcarlson33 03:16, 19 March 2006 (UTC)


 * My view is that because it's his book it's note worthy, because it's article. Of course this is just a point of view, and I'm not going to argue my point beyond this. I just thought I should be bold and point out my view on the subject :)--Anthony 02:58, 20 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I haven't read Shawn's book and I haven't heard anything about what is in it but could someone answer a question for me. Does it say in Shawn's book that he had a personal relationship with Sherri Martel or not? I haven't read anything about them having that kind of relationship so I was wondering where that came from. User:MgTurtle Mar.22,2006


 * No, it doesn't say anything about Shawn and Sherri having any sort of personal relationship. He talks about his two marriages and thats pretty much it for his relationships Katiedid 00:30, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

If there is nothing in his book about it, then is there a source that says that they had that type of relationship or did somone say that they had that type of relationship? Just wondering. User:MgTurtle Mar. 23,2006


 * One thing I want to add about his book, is that he says over and over again that his daughter's name is Cheyenne Michelle. I have changed it a number of times on the main page, but it always gets changed back to Madison. Before you edit the page try to know what you are talking about Katiedid 00:34, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Why don't you try and learn how to properly punctuate and learn about how to properly start sentences? I just told you that I haven't read his book and that I don't plan on it. I was just wondering if the name was right. You don't have to be so witchy about stuff! It's not like I can't make mistakes. Gosh! User:MgTurtle Mar.23,2006


 * I wasn't trying to be and I'm sorry that I came across like that. I was just saying. And you aren't the one it would be directed at if I was trying to be witchy because you weren't the one who was changing it (on the main page). Katiedid 22:20, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

That's okay. I know what it's like to try and tell people that their information is wrong and they don't even try to listen. Sorry for saying that you were witchy. You were just trying to show me the truth.Thanks for the understanding. User:MgTurtle Mar.24,2006

On his book, he addresses that he's never been called Michael. Only Shawn Hickenbottom or Shawn Michaels. So, we needs to take out Michael and put Shawn instead. Batmanrules677 16:55, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

HBKaholic 18:58, 27 June 2007 (UTC) I definately think Heartbreak and Triumph deserves it's own wikipedia page. I'd be happy to help setting it up if needed.

Play by Play
I've done some cleanup to end the "here's what HBK did this week" blather that comprised much too much of this page. Let's avoid play-by-play in the future. Just because something happens does not mean it belongs in Wikipedia. Bcarlson33 21:15, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

I dont want to start a fight, but I disagree. If HBK did it, it should be allowed in his article. Anyone else agree? Emi211


 * I would have to agree, and disagree. If HBK did it, it should be allowed, yes. But, allowed and included isn't the same. First, this is an article in an encyclopedia. At least partly, that should mean that it's about what HAPPENED, not what HAPPENS. And second, if we reach play-by-play status, this article will be the size of the african continent in short order. DannyBoy2k 00:39, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Hall of Fame?
I heard a rumor that Shawn is not going to attend this years Hall of Fame ceremony because Bret Hart is going to be there. Is this true? Just wondering. User:MgTurtle


 * I think Wade Keller answers questions like yours on pwtorch.com. Probably more likely to get answers there than from us Wikipedia goofs :) Bcarlson33 03:37, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

According to an article on www.lordsofpain.net, Shawn did go to the ceremony (as we saw), but left before Bret Hart was inducted. Katiedid 21:30, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Shawn did make a brief appearance at the Hall Of Fame, as can be seen on the Wrestlemania 22 DVD. According to sources such as PWTorch, Shawn left before Bret's induction. Smobro68 06:23, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Third child?
Does anyone have a source that says Shawn and Rebecca are having a third child this year? I can't find anything. Thanks.


 * I had read a few things about that and assumed that they were true, but when she was shown at Wrestlemania after Shawn's match and with him at the Hall of Fame ceremony, it became obvious to me that they were (most likely)false. If she is pregnant, she is very, very early! Katiedid 19:32, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

HBKaholic 19:01, 27 June 2007 (UTC) I've heard rumours, but nothing more. Nothing has been confirmed. And when Shawn got hurt on Raw a few weeks ago and she rushed to him, she didn't show any signs of pregnancy.

Return of DX?
Yes, there is "official" speculation that "old" Shawn is returning. But that one sentence tidbit does not merit an entirely new section in this article. Let this play out some more, it will soon become clear if this means anything. Shawn's heel turn against Hogan seemed significant, too, and it ended the second Summerslam was over. Bcarlson33 03:15, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

No mention is warrented at all, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a blog or message board - report only facts - no speculation, however likely something might seem. --Naha|(talk) 05:09, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

The "Old" onscreen character of Shawn Michaels will never return because of his religion. He does not want to participate in various provocative activities he took part in before he was a born again christian. As for his backstage attitude, he is no longer a person who was known to be arrogant and "politician" backstage. Though shades of his old self have reported to come out during board meetings. Example: After his Hogan feud he erupted in a board meeting at the WWE Writers for booking him with a mid card star like Chris Masters after a successfull Main Eventing feud with Hulk Hogan. --DME 03:51, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Birthplace
As much as we Chandler residents would like to claim Shawn Michaels as a native son, the article explicitly states that he was born on Williams Air Force Base (now Williams Gateway Airport), which is not now, nor has ever been within Chandler city limits. His birthplace should properly be listed as Mesa, or simply as Williams Air Force Base, but not Chandler which is over 10 miles away. -- Miwa 19:19, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

It says in his book that "...I ended up being born Michael Shawn Hickenbottom on July 22, 1965, at Williams Air Force Base in Chandler, Arizona." I didn't change it back on the main page because I don't know about city limits, but that is what it says in his book.Katiedid 20:44, 17 April 2006 (UTC)


 * The book is then incorrect (this can be easily verified by all matter of other sources, not the least of which includes Google Maps and the historical museums of the cities involved) ... Granted, wrestling literature is far more important as a source of sport-related and biographical information than geographical information. Cheers! -- Miwa 03:02, 18 April 2006 (UTC)


 * That's why I didn't change it!! I just wanted to put that it said Chandler in the book so that people like you wouldnt think that we were pulling that information from nowhere! you don't have to be an ass about it! Katiedid 14:50, 18 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Um, I'm not trying to be an ass about it. I understand why you didn't change it, it's not your fault the documentation was wrong. I am simply stating things as they are. Please please please do not take this personally -- just because the book was wrong doesn't make you any less capable of a Wikipedian. I hope your day gets better from here. Honest!


 * Also, your userinfo states that you're a stickler for correct information. I understand that, you did the best you could with the literature you were working with. Anyway, good luck, and take care. -- Miwa 22:19, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Shawn Michaels a notable Saskatonian?
If you go the the Saskatoon, Saskatchewan page, you will see that Shawn Michaels is listed as a notable Saskatonian under the heading "Notable Saskatonians." I have never read an article where it said that Michaels was raised or lived for a time in Saskatoon. I would like concerte evidence supporting for or against that he was raised or lived in Saskatoon. fishhead2100 April 30, 2006 11:49PM (UTC)
 * Not to say he lived or didn't live in that city, but his father being in the military I for one wouldn't be suprised if he lived there for a certain amount of time.--Anthony 01:33, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

& people wonder how history got full of rumors thought true

HBK attacked
I heard a rumor that HBK got attacked recently can anyone confirm this or has more evidence on it> From what i know it sounds legit--army 06:14, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

He's been attacked before but I have heard of nothing recent.

Yes he was "attacked" at a recent house show in Belfast, heres the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0FtZitgQUQ&search=HBK%20attacked It happened because Shawn Michaels teasingly removed a fans Bret Hart goggles. The fan jumped the barricade. HBK shoved him and security took the fan out of the building. -- Da Main Event

article discussion
There is a guy who has completely taken over the article section of the Shawn Michaels (HBK) entry & it's really starting to get old. No matter what is written no matter how well, he writes something completely new. Another thing about this guy is he is always speculating about what will happen & it's not true fact. First he tried to claim Michaels was retiring now he's saying DX is coming back. Even if one or the other is true (& we can all hope for a new DX as that would be great) would this guy give speculation a break? His thoughts were that the McMahon feud was over Michaels' decision to retire. This is not true & is pure speculation as I have told him numerous times. Could he stop being such a hog of the article? I had an excellent play by play of the Saturday Night's Main Event that was expanded on from an article from wwe.com along with other great insider information straight from wwe.com & he deliberately removed it & continues to. What a crock. Another thing he does is completely ignore critical parts of the story. For example on May 22nd Michaels' sustained a severe attack to his knee & now needs surgery. He will miss action. I just added that information to the article. I removed his speculation that Michaels' will return by his 'supposed' DX reunion date. This guy didn't talk about the chair hit in the process of a kick, the tearing of his uniform, the removal of his knee brace, and the high flying that a Spirit Squad member did into his knee while it was stuck through a folded chair. I know this sounds like I'm whining but seriously I've been a Michaels' fan for nearly 17 years & know a couple things.


 * History shows that the above comment was submitted by anonymous user 72.234.229.61. Please remember to sign your comments. That said, let's just cool off here a little bit. Now I don't know who is editing your submissions (it's not me), but I'm sure whomever he or she is means well. I'm sure he's just trying to consolodate the article and make it a good Wikipedia entry, not a full blow-by-blow recap as some of us do out of enthusiasm or for whatever reason (yeah, I'm guilty of it too sometimes). If you think this may be the result of a vandal, then you probably should take it up with either an administrator or on the contributor's talk page. Just keep up the good work - and hey, keep a level head out there, whydoncha? Briguy52748 14:13, 24 May 2006 (UTC)]].

- this is what I'm talking about, this site is so messed up people remove my content & nothing happens, it's never replaced.. I REMOVE my OWN content & I get a warning


 * 72.234.229.61 (again, you've got to sign your comments — just use four tildes (~) to do so). Anyhow, if you're getting a warning for self-reverts, then you've got to take that up with an administrator. Second, again, I think what some editors are looking for is an encyclopedia entry, not a weekly recap (which should be saved for fanpages elsewhere on the Web). Perhaps if something major comes up in the Michaels/DX/McMahon feud storyline, then you can add it and give it the proper emphasis; admittedly, though, that is a judgement call. But it takes thinking about what is important and whether it will add to Wikipedia or make this article the confusing mess that it is. Briguy52748 13:10, 16 June 2006 (UTC)]]


 * I've added a frequent target tag at the top of this discussion page; even though it appears there has been some cleanup of the article, we all need to be careful about future additions/edits. Briguy52748 13:14, 16 June 2006 (UTC)]]


 * I don't need to sign. Someone has control of the article & I won't waste my time with it. I had put what was important not a play by play but you just don't understand.

Always best to assume good faith, guys. Fatjabba 15:43, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

D-X
K how the hell do we know that D-X is really coming back at Vengeance? For all we know, the arena could have put that up to sell more tickets.--Killswitch Engage 03:10, 25 May 2006 (UTC)Killswitch Engage

The D-X reunion has been confirmed by multiple wrestling sites, the official Vengeance poster, and an ad for Vengeance on WWE.com that was taken down quickly. Michaels' knee injury is legitimate and this has also been confirmed by several wrestling sites. They wouldn't take Michaels off TV in the weeks leading up to the D-X reunion for the hell of it. Mr. Papaya

Infobox picture
I reverted the change in image that was made by Mike kelly09. The free use image isn't perfect, but it's of good quality. Free use images are favored over fair use ones. There is at least one other picture showing his face found later in the article. --Jtalledo (talk) 02:34, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Re: I think the infobox picture should be the picture in which one would be able to see his face because it is the main picture on the pag. It is the first picture (not to mention most emphasized) that one would see as soon as they came to the Shawn Michaels WikiPage

Yes, I agree. It shoud be a picture with his face showing. Mike kelly09

Added a really good picture. Nobody change it please. -- Da Main Event.

Can anyone add a better picture of Shawn Michaels because the current one is rather unflattering.

There is a good pic of HBK on http://www.puroresu.com/wrestlers/michaels_shawn/ thats a bit better, in my opinion. Emi211

Comment on Page
WWE has a rumor that Shawn Michaels that he is going to retire from wrestling in 2008.--66.141.168.110 22:18, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

No, HBK was considering semi-retirement past WM22 but with his current supposed schedule, its no way near. Although he may take a long break post SummerSlam or Unforgiven to have a knee surgery and to recover from it. - Da Main Event

D-X
I realize that the return of D-X and the Vengeance match are both significant, but can we please stop adding paragraphs about their weekly antics? This could get excessive VERY soon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dubbya9 (talk • contribs)

Well to keep everyone happy, why dont you justmake a new page with all the matches? You can link it to this one so you can find it if your interested. Anyone else agree?

News and rumours
It would be nice if people dont start posting every news of Shawn Michaels they hear of Dave Meltzer. Ex: Shawn Michaels is not happy with the current DX storyline because of his religion..... Although this is true, but there is no need for it to be placed on Wikipedia. A certain level of Kayfabe must be maintained. - DME
 * I agree. June-gloom 08:46, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

DX info
What I have added is not a week-by-week, just a small summary of what they have done. So quit deleting it. Just like the section of the old DX. that has some examples doesnt it?

Mike kelly09

It's non notable. Michael's is a long article, and adding a few things that have happened on one or two episodes or Raw shouldn't be added. if the D-X thing turns out to be a big thing thru the year, then yeah. But the examples you put are too much, and it's written in kafyabe. None encyclopaedic. And right now, it does look as a week-by-week.(Halbared 22:54, 10 July 2006 (UTC))

I dont think that a week by week play through of DX should be added. However the earlier section of the "Return of Dx" should be there since its a big return. DX was one of the biggest and best wrestling stables in history so I do feel that atleast a single title just adding a little info. on the result of Vengeance and the oncoming match at SNME should be added. -- DME


 * I think what Mike Kelly did covered it aptly. But there shouldn't be notice of upcoming matches.(Halbared 10:24, 11 July 2006 (UTC))

If I covered it aptly Halbared, then why did you continue to delete it? Mike kelly09 00:38, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Because eventually you simply made a ref to the fact jokes were made, we don't need a list of them, that is superfluous.(Halbared 08:21, 12 July 2006 (UTC))

Yes, but when I had edited it, it was just a basic summary of the new DX. All I had in it was that DX returned, when it returned. They won at Vengeance and that they have a match at Saturday Night Main Event. -- DME
 * Future matches are not added to the entries. Have you read the disclaimer?(Halbared 10:43, 12 July 2006 (UTC))

Ok, Sorry for that. I have removed the reference to future matches. However I hope everything else is in accordance? -- DME

I added on sentence, "They have continued their antics on RAW". Thats it. Good? Mikedk9109 21:15, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Edit war over picture
Okay. This has got to stop. This article has had a lot of pictures used for the infobox - pics of his face, pics without his face, fair use and free, action pics, even a picture of him putting a sharpshooter on Bret Hart. We have to choose a picture and stick with it. I don't care if it's free or not, although it would be nice if it was and it would be in line with policy. --Jtalledo (talk) 14:47, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree, just leave the one that is there now. It is free and it shows his face. --Mikedk9109 21:13, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

The photo is licensed under Creative Commons but no attribution has been given. Please update with proper attribution or delete the photo. []--Jdblundell 14:04, 23 February 2007

Montreal Screwjob
I don't agree that Bret didn't want to lose the title in Canada. Shawn Michaels has a history of not wanting to put guys over unless they were buddies like Kevin Nash and Scott Hall. He wouldn't let Vader beat him. Want a source? It might be a little biased, but it's a source. He actually told Bret that he wouldn't put Bret over after Bret told him he would put Shawn over for the good of the business, in spite of their personal hatred for each other. Click here and go to September 22, 1997. Again, it might be biased, but it's a source. 64.241.230.3 12:56, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Bret did refuse to job, he wanted to lose it the very next day.

Hes just stating his opinion. So dont say that. --Mikedk9109 14:08, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

There is a much better one. Its a better one than we have now in my opinion. Try this site and change it if you want. I would, but I dont know how. Sorry, This is supposed to be in the above box. My apologies for any confusion.

I watched a documentary about Bret Hart that was filming during the time of the Screwjob called Wrestling with Shadows. I saw it in the documentary channel and Bret Hart stated himself on camera that he did not want to drop the title to Michels in Canada. He wanted a disqualification and he would drop the title the next night on Raw. Hart contradicts himself during several points in the film. He compliments McMahon all the way through the film, praises him for the way he revolutionized the business and all that, how he's had a very good relationship with him and all that. After the "Screwjob" went down and after the events of the night unfolded, he turns around and states that McMahon has a mentality where his wrestlers are beneath him and are treated like circus animals. The documentary showed that unprofessionalism, hurt feelings, maybe even a bit of paranoia had helped to dictate what happened. This applied to both Vince and to Bret Hart. Vince felt betrayed that Hart wanted to leave during a time when WCW was becoming the dominant company in the ratings and Hart was going to jump ship. Now, despite the front that McMahon put up, it had to be frustrating for him. It was also stated in the documentary that Vince was worried Bret might show up on Nitro with the WWE Championship belt and pull some stunt like Madusa pulled by tossing the Women's Championship into a trash can. Bret said that he wasn't going to do that, but I think Vince's paranoia was compounded by the fact that Bret didn't want to lose to Shawn Michaels while in Canada. It's not really as if Vince could threaten to suspend him or fine him or do whatever because Hart's contract was up. For all he knew, he could show up on Nitro the very next night with the WWF Championship. Vince had really no leverage, he couldn't suspend him, wouldn't do any good to threaten to fine or suspend him or anything like that. McMahon's conduct was horrible and beyond unprofessional, but it wasn't all him. Bret Hart let his ego get away from him just a bit I believe. He did feel that he was morally superior to Shawn Michaels and most of the WWE roster itself at the time due to the storylines being pumped out and it fueled many of his stances. It's been wrestling tradition for a champion to drop the title before leaving. Hart did not want to drop the title in Canada and never stated a good reason for it. Personally, I feel that he would have dropped it to anyone other than Shawn Michaels. Odin&#39;s Beard 01:04, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Brets contract expired in December, so he couldnt go to Nitro.

He was being let out of his contract early. He signed a 20 year contract to work for Vince McMahon and was going to be granted early release, partially because WCW was offering him a 3 year deal at $3 million a year. He originally signed with the WWF in 1983. Toward the end of the documentary, Bret stated that a 14 year relationship had been destroyed. So, going by that, he still had 6 years left on his original deal. The match with Michaels in Montreal would be his last match with the company. Bret claims that he intended to appear on Raw the next night and relinquish the title before leaving for WCW. Odin&#39;s Beard 01:46, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Though we cannot know who would have done what and when, some comments are in order:
 * Bret concluded a 20-year-contract with the WWF in 1996 - hence we would have been under contract until 2016.
 * Bret had creative control over his character in the last six month, hence any calls for "He should have simply obeyed Vince" are nonsense. Also, Vince agreed to Bret's suggestion to drop the title at RAW.
 * It is common that a wrestler doesn't have to lay down in front of a home crowd, let alone drop the title to his nemesis.
 * One might understand Vince's concern that there could be another Madusa, but 1) there are other ways of dealing with such concerns, and 2) Bret had been with Vince since the mid-eighties, had in 1996 turned down a very lucrative Turner offer to stay with the WWF, and was specifically asked by Vince to go to WCW - while Madusa had been with the WWF only for one and a half years, went nowhere with the women's division and actually was fired.
 * Certainly Vince was not hurt by Bret leaving for WCW as it was Vince who suggested that move, since he could not afford Bret anymore.
 * There is no contradiction in praising McMahon's genius and contribution to the wrestling business while bashing him for his deceit.
 * One can understand Bret's anger at Vince but Vince's paranoia is something quite different.

Str1977 (smile back) 17:14, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

I give the benefit of the doubt to Vince McMahon. It's his business. Additionally, it was a very rough time for his company. Whether or not it was irrational or not, does not take from the fact that it's his business. I trust that Vince McMahon cared more for his company than Bret did.

The current main picture
The picture is horrendous and must be changed for the good of this article. I clicked a link on an un-related page and my brother who was watching over my shoulder thought it had directed to the wrong place. This looks NOTHING like the person in question and doesn't show him in a true light. His face is obscured by his sunglasses and he is pulling a strange face. Somebody has a better image than this that shows people what he actually looks like, so they need to upload that instead. From this image, people will think Shawn and Rob Van Dam are the same person. Mr.bonus 19:19, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Disagree * There was a photo war on this page. the pic was changed all the time. there are guide lines on what photos can be used and this is the best of what can be used at this time. Danrduggan 11:07, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree. -- Mikedk9109 ( Sup ) ( stalk me ) 15:28, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

if shawn wins the rumble change it to a screen cap of that

we should get a new picture of shawn. in his dx gear.

411Mania MOTY Award Deletion
Can someone explain why the 411Mania.com 2005 Match of the Year award was deleted? 1) It seemed relevant to his career. 2) The site is one of, if not the, top independent wrestling site on the internet. 3) Here is the source http://www.411mania.com/wrestling/columns/37550/The-411%5C%5Cs:-2005-Year-End-Wrestling-Awards.htm

I like the idea myself. The interesting part of this could be that if every source (PWI, Wrestling Online, and WWE are the currrent major ones listed) that chose any of Shawn's matches as MOTYs were listed, his 'pedia would be an awfully long one. Smobro68 09:58, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Shawn's Moveset
Could somebody please explain to me why Shawn Michaels' wrestling moveset has suddenly been deleted from this article!? EDIT: Nevermind, I put it back.

Time with company
Quote: Michaels is the longest member of the WWE (that is still on the active roster), having been with the promotion since 1987 (although he was out between 1998 to 2002). This outnumbers The Undertaker, who debuted in 1990, and Hardcore Holly, who started out in 1994 as Sparky Plugg.

Michaels was still getting paid during his injury, appearing on TV, and appearing for autographs and such (amoung whatever else he may or may not have been doing). I would say he has been with the company from 1987-present... With out any side comments.

That aside I highly doubt he has been with the company the longest (:cough: agents :cough:). But as far as wrestlers? I'm sure he is the most active wrestler currently wrestling.--Anthony 03:00, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
 * True. I deleted it, since it was redundant anyways; see the second sentence (!) of the article. Heh. June-gloom 11:31, 6 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I added a factual and important comment in the intro about his being one of the longest performing wrestlers in WWE, joining in 1987, making his time with them about 16 years as of 2007, because of the 4 year hiatus. Why has this been reverted? -- Kevin Browning 01:20, 8 January 2007 (UTC)


 * We don't need to know the number of years as of the current year. People can figure out the math on their own. Wikipedia isn't dumber down. -- Mikedk9109  (hit me up) SIGN 01:34, 8 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, people can figure it out, but stating it plainly clarifies and emphasizes the point of his long tenure with the company. -- Kevin Browning 07:50, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

I read somewhere that said that The Undertaker has the most time with the company. They might have decieded this because of Michaels time off because of his back pains. gameplaya 6:51, 31 March 2007

WTF?
Follow the rules, please. "Do not edit other user's comments." June-gloom 23:18, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, thats what I said. -- Mikedk9109 ( Sup ) ( stalk me ) 23:20, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Source for Steroid Use Wanted
"After a much-hyped but ultimately disappointing feud with Curt Hennig, Michaels quit the WWF in September 1993. It was announced that Michaels had failed to defend his belt enough times during a set period; in reality, he had been suspended for testing positive for steroids — a charge that Michaels denies to this day." any source??? Cause i don't bellive it. Emilos 18:46, 13 December 2006 (UTC)emilos

In his book he mentions that Vince told him he tested positive for steroids and he was adamant that he didnt take them. According to the book, Shawn argued with Vince saying that he wasnt in good shape as it was so it was obvious he wasnt taking them. He did not get fired but he did get suspended. He still denies taking them to this day and was understandably unhappy at receiving a punishment for something he didnt do. Phew, bit long winded, sorry!--172.201.203.96 23:59, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

In Shawn's defense, take a look at The History Of The Intercontinental Championship DVD. The matches involving him took place during the time that Shawn would have allegedly tested positive. Shawn usually looks in pretty lean good shape; at this time, he's got something of a gut on him. Steroids would have put a six pack on him; Shawn at this point in time looks like he had a few. Smobro68 09:15, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Correction
HBK never rejoined DX at the end of '98 (or was it the beginning of '99?) Anyways he rejoined on Raw and then DX turned on him later that night. In the parking lot he got thrown through a car windshield by Triple H leaving him bloodied and injured. This was the reason given for his long absencse afterwards. Someone look up the exact details because this was such a long time ago it is pretty blury in my mind. Toom of the boom 13:05, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Shawn was sent through the car windshield during the angle leading to his in-ring return in 2002. Smobro68 04:28, 13 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I renamed the subsection, as it was annoying me. If you want to put it back I won't stop you. Cheers, --  T H  L  06:03, 16 December 2006 (UTC)


 * It was annoying me too. You beat me to it Hyrid. -- Mikedk9109  (hit me up)  21:21, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

WWE Champion
Will HBK ever be WWE Champ again? The whole Cena & Umaga thing is very boring. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.247.21.121 (talk) 05:18, 27 December 2006 (UTC).

Does his religion stop him from being the WWE Champion?

According to his book, when Shawn returned to WWE in 2002, family priorities now outweighed the title aspirations of his younger days. Since then he picked up the tag title with John Cena, so to answer the question, I don't think his beliefs hold him back in terms of titles. I'm no insider, but I think a lot of people would like he to go one last time with the big one before he eventually retires. Smobro68 04:26, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

(low pitched wolf style growling) --  The  Hyb  rid  03:02, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Only as much as it stopped him in 2002. Now his back problems on the other hand.  That might stop him.--Anthony 00:30, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Anything is possible in the WWE. My odds are that he will win the Royal Rumble. As far as the Cena and Umaga thing goes they better lose Umaga. He has done nothing to deserve a WWE title shot. Intercontinental maybe but certainly not the WWE Championship. Big Boss 0 14:40, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

No more. This is not a forum for discussing HBK. (More growling) --  The  Hyb  rid  22:32, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Shouldn't there be a picture of shawn winning the world heavyweight championship at the elimination chamber?

There was at one time, but it's since been removed. Smobro68 04:27, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism.
Someone wrote in big font "Bradley is here, suck it beeches!" in the middle of the article. Perhaps we should semi-protect the article for a while. -- Kevin Browning 01:02, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

It takes a rather large quantity of vandalism to get a page protected. Cheers, --  The  Hyb  rid  03:03, 5 January 2007 (UTC)


 * This page is vandalized quite alot. Some anon keeps adding in fake name moves. I always have to revert it. -- Mikedk9109  (hit me up)  21:33, 5 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Ah, then lets get them blocked ASAP. --  The  Hyb  rid  05:43, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Someone also deleted he fact that Michael jackson and HBk won the WWE Tag titles
 * Cause they didn't Gdfanatic21594 02:07, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Reverts.
I have added NPOV statements about Michaels' length of employment with WWE in the introduction. From the already present information stating that he joined WWE in 1987 and took a break from 1998-2002, I said that he has been in WWE about 16 years. Why was this deleted? -- Kevin Browning 05:53, 9 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Look in the above section of this talk page titled "time with company". You asked the same question up there, and I answered it up there. -- Mikedk9109  (hit me up) SIGN 21:05, 9 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Didn't see that, I've replied there now. -- Kevin Browning 07:51, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Retirement and final reign?
I've heard on multiple wrestling pages and forums that Michaels intends to retire this year, and that he's asked the company for a final title reign (wich it'll be widely recognized that he deserves). Such also seems to be the case of Mark Calaway (The Undertaker) and Ric Flair. Has anyone else heard anything like this? If so, could anyone find a truly reliable source to confirm it? Vicius 05:04, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

There is no existing reliable source for WWE decisions that have not been officially revealed. Besides, spoilers are unencyclopedic. Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. --  The  Hyb  rid  06:24, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Why dont you just dismmiss HBK's other Rumble performances?
I believe that you need to seriously keep Shawn's performance at the 2007 Rumble in there. It's not week by week; there were about two weeks BEFORE that date. If you take this out, why just not take the rest of his Rumble performances out of his bio...rather idiotic I think.

He didn't win, so it isn't notable. If he won, like the other rumbles, then it is notable. Simple, --  The  Hyb  rid  23:40, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Not to mention this isn't a 'bio' as you refer to it as, it is an enyclopedia article, something like that which will probably be forgotten by many people in the grand scheme of his illustrious career is not notable enough for an encyclopedia article describing said career. Bmg916 23:44, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

There's tons of stuff already in the article that isn't notable; such as his barely a month long fued with Chris Masters. The fact that Taker and HBK went longer than any other final two in Rumble history should warrant it's inclusion.

It doesn't matter. Shawn's career should be put with notable ANYTHING...considering that the man is one of the most charismatic and great peformers out there today, and plus it's a Pay Per View. He needs to have been noted in it. To take it out would be absolutely ignorant of the fact.

We remove non-notable stuff rather than use it as an excuse to insert more. --  The  Hyb  rid  00:59, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Also, one sentence about his feud with Chris Masters is entirely OK. However, devoting any space to one match unless it is a turning point in his career is absurd. Also, don't try and argue that this is going to be, as you don't know that, and to say that it is amounts to rumor and speculation. Also, even if it were guaranteed to be a turning point, it hasn't been yet, making it a future event. Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. --  The  Hyb  rid  01:04, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
 * With respect I would tend to disagree. I would say that unless he wins another Rumble in the future coming within 1 person of being only the 2nd person to win 3 Rumbles would in fact be encyclopedic.--Anthony 04:12, 30 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Maybe a short mention of it in the trivia section saying it exactly like that would be OK, but it is really pushing it. Cheers, --  The  Hyb  rid  04:16, 30 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I'd argue that it could be mentioned _if_ it becomes a notable event as a result of other events that are still to happen (for example, if it were to lead to a lengthy feud with Undertaker, it could be noted as the starting point), but the detail of it is already recorded in the Royal Rumble (2007) article, which is the important thing as far as the notability of the performance with respect to the Rumble Match is concerned. At the moment, the greatest relevance to note from the match would be that Michaels continued his feud with Rated RKO by eliminating both of them in making the final two, so perhaps it could be included in the context of that feud, rather than as a separate (as yet not especially) notable event in itself?  --Dave. 21:23, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm going ot have to agree with Hybrid on this one. Shawn didn't win the Rumble. Just because he lasted longer with Taker than any other final two isn't really encylopedic (at least on this article). Info like that should go on the Royal Rumble page. Also, The amount of information about the Rated-RKO feud that is in their now is really unneeded. — mikedk9109 SIGN 22:27, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

couldnt one say that the RR and the day after were very instrumental to his Westlemaina match with cena? win or lose that match should have some impact on his career?
 * The Royal Rumble itself wasn't instrumental on his career, as it was just another loss. The match the next night was instrumental, I agree, but the RR itself wasn't. 声  援  --  The   Hyb  rid  04:46, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

if not for RR runner up then whose to say the next night happens? its all scripted and you cant deny wwe knew what they were doing when he finished 2nd
 * Didn't finishing 2nd (first for RAW) make him the #1 contender? Last time I checked you needed that status to wrestle the Champion and he wasn't before the Royal Rumble.--Anthony 14:04, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
 * No, runner up doesn't get anything. He only got a title shot because Undertaker didn't choose the WWE Championship, leaving Cena with no opponent for WM. TJ Spyke 05:32, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

why not put that in the article then? everything else about the guy is

No Heel Turn
HBK didn't do anything last night, therefore, he didn't turn heel. He isn't going to be getting heat from the fans anytime soon, first because he's riding the DX buzz and now he's Cena's tag team partner. Even if he gets a title shot at Wrestlemania, it will be a face vs. face feud. So it isn't worth adding. User:Saget53 21:47, 30 January 2007

Shouldnt it be added that he turned heel on the last Raw efore Mania?

No, because he didn't turn heel. One superkick to another face does not constitute a heel turn. Bmg 916 Speak to Me 01:34, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

New Image
Both of these pictures are in the public domain. I think someone should edit them and display them in the article.

Mwutz 07:06, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

MSG Incident
This article should really make mention of the MSG incident, and as far as I can see it doesn't. Illuminattile 01:30, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Title or Tag
Anyone else think that Shawn's current tag team championship reign should be mentioned before his being in a currently inactive tag team? I'd of edited already, but thought I should ask here first. Thoughts? RabidWolf 18:46, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

I had my fits about Cena and Shawn defending them, but Rated RKO didn't do a whole lot in the defense department, either.

At the same time, though, it does bring me to this: "Of Michaels's twelve WWE title reigns, only four ended in competitive matches. He has forfeited the WWF Championship once, forfeited or was stripped of the Intercontinental Championships on two occasions and was stripped of all of his Tag Team Championships, and lost his European Championship by laying down for Triple H as a "Christmas present"." The multi team title defense saw Shawn tossing John Cena over the top rope and thus forfeiting the titles. Just a minor change needed to clear up any potential confusion. Smobro68 00:32, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

10 or 20 team?
on the April 2, 2007 edition of Raw, Cena and Micheals lost their title to the Hardys in a 10 or 20 team battle royal. but was it really a 10 or 20 team battle royal? The match was recycled (re-done). Dro Boy April 2, 2007 23:52

It wasn't quite 20 teams, but the two matches weren't a rehash, as it was explained that they were going to defend twice.

The first match pairings: Shawn Michaels/John Cena, Kenny Dykstra/Chris Masters, Cryme Tyme, The Highlanders, Eugene/Jim Duggan, Elijah Burke/Matt Striker, Deuce and Domino, Finlay/Booker, and Rob Van Dam/Sabu I count 9 teams there. Michaels and Cena win part one.

The second match pairings: Shawn Michaels/John Cena, Hardy Boys, Paul London/Brian Kendrick, Lance Cade/Trevor Murdock, Sandman/Tommy Dreamer, Viscera/Val Venis, Chavo Guerrero/Gregory Helms, William Regal/Dave Taylor, Marcus CorVon/Kevin Thorn, Miz/Johnny Nitro Guerrero and Helms were mentioned as being a part of part one, but I never saw them. Michaels tosses Cena over the tope rope, and the Hardys win part two. Smobro68 00:41, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

1994 to 1995
Find the gay in this sentence I found in this setion.

"Michaels recruited Sid as his bodyguard for the build-up, lost the match[9], and then was turned on by Sid the following night." - So did Sid stop at just turning him on, or did they actually get it on? The article never really tells what went on with their romance after that. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Qabala (talk • contribs) 20:52, 9 April 2007 (UTC).

No more DX music
"As of march 9th's RAW his theme music swithced from the DX theme to his "Boy Toy" theme." Should I add this to the article? -- ÄtΘmic  R€£igione   sїgñ
 * I was just about to say that, but you bumped me.... ah well, it is worth mentioning.--Ben414 02:03, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Ladder match
I removed the line "when in reality it was Bret Hart who brought in the idea two years previously from the Stampede Wrestling promotion." because it isn't relevant to Shawn Michaels and the way it was written seemed as if it was just there to discredit Shawn. He is called the INNOVATOR of the ladder match, not the INVENTOR of the ladder match, so there is no need to point out that Bret Hart brought it to the WWF. If people want to know that they can go to a ladder match article or the Bret Hart article, but it does not belong in the Shawn Michaels article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.74.138.240 (talk) 03:19, 11 April 2007 (UTC).


 * Innovator: –verb (used with object) to introduce (something new) (from dictionary.com)

as you can see, some people can (with good reason) assume innovate means invent in this case, and since Shawn Michaels was in the first televised ladder match, many people believe he was in the very first one, when he was not, so it's a little interesting point to note and not as a big a deal as you've made it to be. Bmg 916 SpeakSign 12:31, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Which of Wikipedia policies and guidelines is the unsigned IP address going by? You don't seem to have made many contributions, so with all due respect I'd like some more policy-based argument than "you don't think it's relevant" and "you think it discredits Shawn". ŞůṜīΣĻ ¹98¹ Speak 12:39, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't have a problem with it being in the article, but where it's at is completely irrelevent to Shawn Michaels. I'll stop changing it because it's obvious it will just be changed back an hour later. If you want my suggestion, however, take it out of that section and it add it into the line which mentions Bret and Shawn in a ladder match at a house show as something along the lines of, "At Bret Hart's suggestion, Shawn Michaels was booked in the first WWF ladder match for Bret's Intercontinental Title at a house show, which Shawn lost." Thus, it is relevent because Shawn Michaels was facing Bret. Bringing him up later in the article just to point out that he brought the ladder match to the WWF swerves completely offtopic, in my opinion.

Correction to Survivor Series 1992
It was actually scheduled to be Ultimate Warrior & Randy Savage vs. Ric Flair & Razor Ramon; they turned Mr. Perfect face to compensate for UW leaving the company. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Iamcalledjay (talk • contribs) 14:32, 14 April 2007 (UTC).

Theme Music
Is HBK's theme This version of Sexy Boy? Derrty2033 03:54, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Shawn Michaels's "Sexy Boy" song is a WWE-produced theme written by Jimmy Hart and sung by Shawn Michaels himself. This information is included in the article, in the Wrestling Facts section. And thanks to whoever removed that "Don't You Think I'm Sexy" thing in the article, considering that as of his last televised match (April 9, 2007), he used the same old "Sexy Boy." Also, I propose that the note about him using "Break It Down" should be changed, as he has now reverted fully back to "Sexy Boy." Just food for thought.(HalHornCorSec 05:18, 22 April 2007 (UTC))
 * Should we consider this the end of DX? I mean, HBK was the "One-Man-DX-Army" for a while, but now he's back to his old self. There's no point in continuing DX when one half is gone and the other no longer represents it, right? 208.104.254.236 02:59, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

While the DX theme has been replaced by the returning Sexy Boy theme, and his attire has reverted to what it was before DX, there could still be debate about whether DX is totally finished. At the end of the Raw ironman-length match with John Cena 4/23/07, he gave Cena the X chop. Smobro68 10:06, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

I think a bigger tell tale sign is the fact that the ring announcers no long refer to him as "D-X Member, Shawn Michaels" when he enters the ring. Instead, they are referring to him as "The Heartbrache Kid" again. Obviously, DX wasn't a stable this time around, only a tag team. As such, the tag team is at least inactive, and it is wrong to continue referring to him as a DX member. He may still do crotch chops (but so do many other wrestlers,) but there is no DX references anywhere in WWE.com or on the TV shows, other than merchandise, which obviosuly isn't always about active wrestlers.LessThanClippers

Match time
"This was probably the longest match since Hulk Hogan VS The Ultimate Warrior at a Wrestlemania event for the WWE and Intercontinental Championship."

What exactly is that absoloutely idiotic comment stating? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.29.220.191 (talk) 15:03, 24 April 2007 (UTC).

Backlash question
Can I put an image of Shawn Michaels that I took at Backlash this year? Clen_17 9:36, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

GA quick fail
The article has referencing problems. I am failing this per the GA review of the Undertaker article. Quadzilla99 11:22, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Awww, that sucks!!!! I was really feeling the article!!! I thought it was improving. Maybe next time. Zerorules677 17:23, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Collapse
Does anyone know if HBK's collapses in the ring are Real or just a storyline? J.C. 19:59, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

i heard that it was all storyline but i dont know

Is it really a storyline? Cause it seemed so REAL!!!! Zerorules677 16:17, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

It's obviously a storyline, why do you think they showed so many attacks be randy orton to hbk ussually punching or kicking his head, wwe is scripted so do you think that they would actually let a wrestler into the ring if they really did suffer from a concussion the previous night.

Ok, you do have a point. But, now I'm hearing that he's injured his knee and will be out for the rest of the summer and won't come back until Survivor Series. ThinkBlue 18:06, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

When his 'wife' comes in, does a pathetic bit of act-crying, and then runs off to the corner of the ring to burst in to laughter (I've watched it a few times, you can see her grinning like crazy just before she ducks behind the referee); doesn't it give it away? Additionally, do you really think the WWE would allow him to 'compete' if he was suffering REAL concussion? Come on chaps, let's keep a grip of reality - at least on the Wiki 80.43.23.143 14:00, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

The concussion collapse is kayfabe; the knee injury is legit. The return date may be sooner though, based on this: http://www.pwtorch.com/artman/publish/article_20356.shtml Smobro68 09:53, 25 May 2007 (UTC) P.S. Shawn's wife as seen on Judgment Day is Rebecca, his actual wife. To the best of my knowledge she is not a trained actress. Assuming there was a faux pas (have not seen Judgment Day, and didn't want to then nor want to now as I felt it was a bad PPV), I'd simply call it a nervous oops.

Rebecca was a WCW Nitro Girl before WWF/E bought it out, so she knows how to act in kayfabe. The entire thing with the concussion, collapse, her running into the ring, and him being taken to an ambulance was all scripted. The storyline was used as a way to cover for Shawn's legit knee injury. Although WWE.com has said that he should be back by Survivor Series, it's possible that he may return as soon as Summerslam. (Sawyer 03:31, 14 June 2007 (UTC))