Talk:Shell cordovan

Does anyone know how to correct the link I posted to men.style.com. It provides information on Corovan that verifys some of the info already on the page. pmb600 --Pmb600 (talk) 06:19, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes but what color is it? Black? Brown? Got a photo? --71.57.33.170 21:03, 30 March 2007 (UTC)


 * As the article mentions the color is #893f45. It would be good to add a patch of this color directly in the article, but I don't know how to do that.--Lbeaumont 02:37, 31 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I added a color infobox. Bradd 09:06, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Organization
The article reads like a marketing piece for the Horween leather company. Needs revision to eliminate bias and citations for the many claims made. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.106.105.54 (talk) 19:35, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree and moreover, Horween is NOT the oldest tannery producing shell cordovan. Maybe within the USA, but they are not THE oldest. I will be removing that reference and modifying the article as such. WarFighter (talk) 00:39, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

This article could use better organization. Specifically, each major sense of the word should have its own heading, rather than listing dissimilar meanings under bullet points. The color infobox would then fit under the heading devoted to the color Cordovan. Bradd 09:08, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

I have edited the prose and deleted information relating only to the city of Cordoba (which belongs under that city's page, not here), but it needs to be decided whether this is an article or a disambiguation page. Lirelyn 00:23, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Second sentence is just wrong.
It doesn't even fit the rest of the information. Leather is made from skins of animals, not flesh. There is no skin beneath the hide, only muscle and bone and connective tissues. It looks like a cut/paste by someone who has never skinned an animal and made leather from such. I am familiar with both processes, but from game, not domestic animals.

The rest of the entry makes reference to working the hide, removing hair, etc. as is normal leather-making process. I would edit if i had a reference other than my own experience.

Cordovan is an equine leather made from the fibrous flat muscle (or shell) beneath the hide on the rump of the horse.

The only way i can make sense of that sentence is to pare it down thus: "Cordovan is an equine leather made from skin of the rump (or shell) of the horse."

Again, muscle doesn't make leather, it makes jerky. There is no hide beneath the hide. Splitting the leather, as described in the article, is common practice for all heavy hides, often just for thinning, and usually results in "suede" type or "rough out" products.

I use shell leather daily as vintage razor strops, for stropping straight razors. It is one of many leathers suited to this purpose, but my personal favorite. Wpattonwiki (talk) 17:36, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

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Why is there an ad for a shoe company at the end of the article? I realize I'm not following Wikipedia style/language here, I'm not part of the clan. But that last line is just an ad. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.164.99.117 (talk) 14:32, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

Fees?
How much did they pay Wikipedia for this advert?

Middle More Rider (talk) 13:07, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Shell Cordovan history
"First produced by the Visigoths in the seventh century"

I don't see anything in the source that says it was made from horse hide. It says at the time it was usually made of goat hide. This article needs a good source on when and where it become "shell" cordovan made of horse hide.

After reading more from this source I'm sure "shell cordovan" has nothing to do with Visigoths and Arabs because it is talking about about goat leather.

This article (although from a private Spanish shoemaker company) even claims it is a misconception that cordovan started in Spain, but in fact started in France in 19th century https://lottusse.com/magazine/en/cordovan-shoes/ Both French and English have words like cordonnier and cordwainer which adds to confusion. Arseniyandru (talk) 20:45, 1 May 2022 (UTC)


 * It is possible that it has come to be called cordovan or cordoba leather because it resembles high-grade tanned goat leather (cordovan cordovan), which is a specialty of the Cordoba region of Spain. Arseniyandru (talk) 03:53, 5 May 2022 (UTC)