Talk:Shelling of Mainila/Archive 1

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Um, just wanted to point out that the reference number six (about Yeltsin) requires registration to read... --Illythr 04:12, 2 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I changed this to an article from Virtual Finland, a website maintained by Ministry for Foreign Affairs of Finland, so it is about as official as it can get between Finland and Russia :-). --Whiskey 23:36, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Yeltsin
Actually, the anon was probably right - Yeltsin denounced the whole war, not the shelling and his statement is irrelevant here, unless it directly referenced the shelling. --Illythr (talk) 17:32, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Discrepancy between article's intro and body.
Intro says that "Red Army shelled it's own". Body says that there're "hints" (possibly fabricated) that it were Reds who shelled, as well as absence of Finnish data to confirm Finnish responsibility. Intro must be synced with the body. For example "The Shelling of Mainila (Finnish: Mainilan laukaukset) was a shelling the Russian village of Mainila (located near Beloostrov) on November 26, 1939. Soviet Union's Red declared that the fire originated from Finland across a nearby border and claimed losses in personnel. Materials in the private archives of Soviet party leader Andrei Zhdanov heavily hint that the entire incident was orchestrated in order to paint Finland as an aggressor. The Finnish side denied responsibility for the attacks." It is kinda long, but is better than current statement not supported by the article's content. 206.186.8.130 (talk) 20:38, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
 * So, any objections to the proposed change in intro? 3 weeks is long enough. 206.186.8.130 (talk) 22:27, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Current is okay. No changes need. BTW. The article have some controversial views from pro-Soviet Konstantin Filippov's "analysis", and its content is not very academic. And as Finnish historian Ohto Manninen wrote, there is not so wide cap between Finnish and Soviet academic historians, only some marginal stalinists have their own ways. Peltimikko (talk) 10:27, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Understood. It is OK that intro has nothing to do with the article's body, as soon as it suits Finnish POV, NPOV be damned and buried in Stalin's grave. Thank you. 206.186.8.130 (talk) 17:29, 2 March 2011 (UTC)