Talk:Shemale/Archive 2

Kathoey images
Kappa - please explain your view of how those images are illustrative of this article. I don't see how these photos of alleged Kathoey (whose actual genital/surgical status is unclear) are illustrative. In my opinion, and in other authors' opinions expressed in prior removals, they aren't useful here. They can serve a purpose on an article about Kathoey, but not this one. -- User:RyanFreisling @ 17:41, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Alright, but I think I should be nagging you to cite a source that says "shemale" exludes people who have had the operation. Kappa 18:30, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
 * That's the premise of the very first paragraph of the article. (which I, incidentally, did not write). It also happens to be my own understanding of the term. -- User:RyanFreisling @ 18:32, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

diagram needed
I believe this of a couple articles that seem similar to me need a diagram explaining them. I will draw one myself if everyone else agrees not to revert it and agrees on the specifications. If not, then I won't waste several hours making something to let it get ruined. MartrtinS 11:56, 29 January 2006 (UTC)


 * It's not necessary, and would not add to the encyclopedic nature of the article. Dysprosia 12:56, 29 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Don't waste your time. It's patently not needed for this article. What else you do with your drawings is up to you. -- User:RyanFreisling @ 14:52, 29 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Is it true that there are some male-to-female transexuals who actually prefer to keep their penis, rather than have the operation, and class themselves as non-op rather than pre-op?


 * By the way, I can see how "shemale" could be turned into an insult, but if I've ever written or said that word I've thought of it in an affectionate way. I once saw a black and white calender of transexuals posing nude, some of whom were absolutely gorgeous - easily as feminine as any "genetic" woman I've ever seen. From my point of view, the only down-side to gay sex is that men are just unattractive. For me, a gorgeous "shemale" would be the perfect partner, physically speaking - the fun aspect of "gay" sex combined with the beautiful femininity of a woman. Sadly, I've never even met a male->female transexual, let alone a "non-op". :( -Neural 01:45, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
 * It is true that some transsexuals live as "pre-op" or "non-op" reffering to a descision or inability to have [Sexual Reassignment Surgery]. There are a variety of reasons for this, inclusing finances, physical health, and dissatid=sfaction with the surgery itself (a large problem for female-to-male transexuals).


 * This is not, however, to be confused with shemales, who are transgenderists. Shemales desire to have aspects of both male and female. THey are often exploited in teh pornographic industry because of this. Some Transsexuals "masquerade"as transgenderists during transition, however due to the nature of hormone treatment they are unable to "perform" for long. Lwollert 00:27, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
 * That's just the usual dynamic of political correctness. You might think it's endeering to call somone in a wheelchair "wheelie", but chances are they're going to think you're a prick for it unless you're really close friends and its been established that jokes like that are okay. Most transwoman don't want don't want to be "othered" for being trans. They just want to be normal women, and furthermore, their sexlife is their own business. The term shemale is almost always used within the context of sexuality and erotically, in most cases it's actually used withing the sex industry which is often very exploitative and and degrading to transpeople. And not just in the ways that porn and prostitute are said to exploit and degrade women in general, but in the outright disrespect shown to transpeople and how they identify. First of all for using offensive terms like "shemale" and "ladyboy", but also for treating us like some sort of sexual novelty act; neither male nor female but some strange hybrid ideal for other people to objectify and throw their unwanted horniness at. Being trans is not about sex. Frankly, our sex lives are private matters. That people think of us through the lense of nude calenders and the ideal fuck is really just kind of aggravating. What I'm like in bed is really one of the least important things about me. I have a personality and life outside my body afterall. That as soon as you let people know you're trans suddenly all they care about is sex is just such a piss off. Or even that they'd put sex first. Furthermore, whether they're pre- post- or non-op, transsexual women want to be seen unambiguously as women. Not men, not males and not boys. Refering to transwomen with any word you'd use to refer to a man, a male or a boy is completely disrespectful, probably the most desrespectful things you can call a transwoman. Calling a transwoman a "man" is like calling a person of African descent a "nigger". Putting "she" or "lady" in front of it doesn't help.74.104.127.146 05:14, 25 January 2007 (UTC)