Talk:Sheng ji

Hi. I checked this page because my Chinese friends play this bewildering game, and it's time I learned to play it as well.

I wonder - does anyone know anything about the origins of the game, and when Chinese people started devising card games using the Western deck. Regards, Notreallydavid 15:59, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Proposed separation of games
This is very messy. There are too many games listed here, all listed under a name that may not be very relevant to the original game (80 points) itself. I suggest a comprehensive listing of name meanings, and a split of articles: for Bashi Fen, only the original game will be listed, with additional sections on rule variations (minor rule changes, but still called 80 points) and game variations (similarly related games, such as Tractor or Sheng Ji that use two decks). The simpler version, 40 points, will then be listed on a separate page. See these pages for reference:.  No News  !  11:16, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I am removing the split tag since noone has replied. If you wish to be bold and make the split then I will not object Op47 (talk) 16:31, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Rules describing doubles
The rule as currently stated is misleading to the point of being incorrect. The current page reads "For double cards lead, other players must also follow suit with double cards, if they have; for players who do not have double cards in the suit lead, they may either play separate cards in the same suit, any two cards from other suits, or a double from the trump suit to ruff the trick." This rule is at odds with the same rule described on the external link by McLeod, John.

This important difference completely changes the game play of double cards. The rule should read "When double cards are led, players must follow if possible with doubles of the same suit. This includes double trump card leads, where players must follow with double trump cards if possible. Otherwise, players must follow with two single cards of the suit led, or play their last remaining card of the suit led and any card of their choice. Only when a player is void of the suit led, can any two cards be played, including double trump cards if the player chooses. The trick is won by the highest value double trump cards to be first played, or if no double trumps are played, the highest value double cards of the suit led."

Although this description is much longer, it is required to represent the rule accurately. I will make this change to the page if there are no objections. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Khyven (talk • contribs) 04:20, 22 June 2013 (UTC)