Talk:Sherri Tenpenny/Archive 1

Semi-protected edit request on 23 August 2016
Please take out the word false

She supports the false beliefs that vaccines cause autism, asthma, ADHD and autoimmune disorders.

Jeffhoagland (talk) 17:27, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done — Andy W. ( talk  · ctb) 00:32, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
 * via Special:Diff/735934084. FYI. — Andy W. ( talk  · ctb) 02:23, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Please be aware that this article is subject to discretionary sanctions for PSCI - see Requests_for_arbitration/Pseudoscience. Anti-vaccination discourse is pseudoscience and is subject to these sanctions. Jytdog (talk) 02:27, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

Update on page needed - 12/10/19
Please advise on how we can work together to revise her page to make more credible. (I am still learning my way around here so help is requested along with some understanding of this).

This page only portrays her "anti-vaccine" background and does not give any other information about her. It is very biased and does not represent the person correctly as a whole. I have tried to update this site but was denied my revisions by user Schazjmd. I am new to editing pages so I am doing my best to keep the facts straight and unbiased. This page does not do this and portrays this woman in a poor manner. I did not know to not allow link in main paragraph. I will not include.

Bio should read: "Sherri Tenpenny is an American osteopathic physician and founder of Tenpenny Integrative Medical Center (excluding external link), a clinic first established in Strongsville, Ohio in 1966. Her goal is to provide the best integrative medicine throughout Cleveland and Northeast Ohio (source provided from her website). Additionally, she is one of the most knowledgeable and outspoken physicians regarding the negative impacts of vaccines on health (instead of say "antivaccine" this explains that better to individuals who are unfamiliar with the topic). She supports free choice in healthcare, including the right to refuse vaccination. She supports the theory that vaccines cause autism, asthma, ADHD, and auto-immune disorders (source already provided - must add other conditions as she does not ONLY believe autism, without other conditions wiki is spreading false information). She is the author of four books opposing vaccination. Dr. Tenpenny is an expert on many topics within the field of Integrative Medicine (link to huff bio page). She speaks frequently on breast health, women's health, natural approaches to thyroid and adrenal conditions.

As an internationally known speaker, she is highly sought after for her ability to present scientifically sound information regarding vaccination hazard and warnings that are rarely portrayed by conventional medicine. Most importantly, she offers hope through her unique treatments offered for those seeking drug-free solutions to getting and staying well. (source is Huffington post article biography).

Minormistakes supplemental comments: I suggest to remove the Australia 2015 lecture tour from the main paragraph as it is mentioned further down and does NOT portray her whole career - it is a bias of one occurring event.

This entire page, currently (prior to edits), is not a good depiction of Sherri Tenpenny's career, rather what is currently published should be on Rational wiki or AmericanLoon, not this forum.

Please advise on how we can work together to revise her page to make more credible.

Minormistakes (talk) 02:05, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
 * No, we will not be making these changes. Wikipedia is biased in favor of reality and scientific consensus. It is well-established that Sherri Tenpenny is part of the anti-vaccine community. The page correctly describes her. I see no reason to alter it and adopt these changes. I think it's an excellent (and accurate) description of her character/position on vaccines. You would need to provide several high-quality third-party/independent sources verifying what you have said here. For example, you would need such sources to support statements like "she is sought after for her expertise", etc, etc. TylerDurden8823 (talk) 06:25, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Yes, she is part of the Anti-vaccine community. However there is more information about her that is not covered on this page. Why are you opposed to adding her integrative medicine background and expanding the statement regarding "vaccines cause autism" to include the other conditions?Minormistakes (talk) 00:33, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I have no objection to specifically adding that she practices integrative medicine if you have a strong source supporting that information. I also don't object specifically to saying that she associates vaccines with those other things (with the same aforementioned caveat-it's also not a theory). It's the rest of what was said above about her being a "highly sought" lecturer, characterizing her as an expert, offering hope, rephrasing her views as "supporting free choice" (that's definite whitewashing of her positions), etc. TylerDurden8823 (talk) 06:33, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
 * , interesting. Practicing "integrative medicine" would explain the antivax bullshit. Guy (help!) 09:39, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
 * , Please suggest specifics in the form of "at X, please add Y based on Z source". Guy (help!) 09:38, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Guy, I don't disagree. All I'm saying is if there is a strong ref stating "Sherri Tenpenny practices integrative medicine", I wouldn't be opposed to that. Don't mistake that for an endorsement of integrative medicine. To clarify, I also meant that there is far from sufficient evidence to suggest any association with vaccines and the disease states she alleges connection to to justify calling it a theory (hypothesis at best). TylerDurden8823 (talk) 10:13, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
 * , neither would I, but I would need at least two sources. Guy (help!) 12:05, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 March 2021
It is irresponsible and dangerously close to spreading misinformation to use the word "falsely" in this section: In a February 2021 video, Tenpenny falsely stated that COVID-19 vaccines cause death and autoimmune diseases, saying "Some people are going to die from the vaccine directly, but a large number of people are going to start getting horribly sick and get all kinds of autoimmune diseases, 42 days to maybe a year out." However, there is no evidence to suggest that COVID-19 vaccines cause autoimmune diseases or death.[14]

We are currently in March of 2021. This statement by DR. Tenpenny was made at the end of February, and vaccines were just initiated in January 2021, which means that at this moment many people are just now receiving their second round of C19 shots. How can you possibly state that her information is false when we have not even seen the result of this "vaccine" yet?

TO USE THE WORD "FALSELY" IS UNVERIFIABLE.

I personally do not care what side of this issue you stand on, but to play the game of MMS by not sticking to FACTS and OBJECTIVE reporting, you are doing a disservice to everyone who uses this platform.

I have donated to Wikipedia in the past and believe it to be a useful tool for mild research, but if the platform is now encouraging and protecting misinformation then I suppose it is now worthless. 2600:8807:404D:BF00:CCDB:5A23:D021:8C1C (talk) 14:01, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
 * ❌. The idea that this was false is certainly supported, and your claim that it somehow was not, ain't. Guy (help! - typo?) 14:03, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
 * You can't have it both ways; if we have not yet seen the results of the Covid-19 vaccines, as you stated, then Dr. Tenpenny made a false claim when she stated that the vaccines cause death and autoimmune diseases. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.149.0.208 (talk) 22:08, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Mask Wearing
"Despite Scientific evidence proving the effectiveness of mask wearing." I came on here to find out about Dr. Tenpenny. Clicked on your cited references. Disturbed to find they all originated from one place first of all; where this virus originated from. Also disturbed that none of the newer independent data hasn't been cited or evidently researched by you. Seriously. I was believing you until I saw that. Truth matters to you? Really? Then you know that Science doesn't take sides and only studies what is; and the Science changes all the time given new information. That's provided the scientists are not biased and/or don't hold vested interests. Like avoiding being shot in the head or disappeared if they don't do what the C. C. P. tell them. If you're going to lie, at least make it believable! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.167.229.70 (talk • contribs) 20:34, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
 * A german justice court concluded, after listening experts from all sides, than the mask povide no benefit at all, not only to children, but also to other peoples, https://2020news.de/sensationsurteil-aus-weimar-keine-masken-kein-abstand-keine-tests-mehr-fuer-schueler/  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.230.158.179 (talk) 14:30, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, and the judge is now being prosecuted for perverting the course of justice - maybe he only pretended to listen when the experts talked. And Tenpenny is not even mentioned in the source, so this is not relevant for improving the article.
 * Your point was? --Hob Gadling (talk) 05:44, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
 * 178.167.229.70, you do not seem to have any suggestions for improving the article, so I guess we are finished here. --Hob Gadling (talk) 05:50, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 May 2021
Change "disproved" by removing from the first sentence. Canttrustthis (talk) 17:20, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Run n Fly (talk) 17:23, 10 May 2021 (UTC)