Talk:Sherwin Wine

Untitled
I don't know how to incorporate the original text, which was pretty general and scarcely referred to Rabbi Wine at all. Can somebody else try to incorporate it, or would it be all right to delete the paragraph? Sara 03:34, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)

I still don't see ...
how someone who is now described as secular and non-theistic can be a religious figure. 194.200.241.36 14:35, 16 August 2005 (UTC) He is a quack and "Humanistic Judaism" is a fraud which couldn't have gotten off the ground without the support of The (Detroit)Jewish News-which is now JN and has publicized its "seminary" for "rabbi's".


 * Not all religions are theistic. "We know," writes Liebman Hersh, "that one of the greatest religions of mankind, Buddhism, is basically a religion without a god."


 * Indeed, accepting the 1989 Nobel Peace Prize, His Holiness the Fourteenth Dalai Lama of Tibet declared that his own "Buddhism does not accept a theory of God, or a creator."


 * Neither Rabbi Wine, nor the Dalai Lama, may fairly be labeled a "quack" merely because the relgious movement that each leads recognizes no God.


 * References: Liebman Hersch, My Jewishness (1940), in Saul L. Goodman, ed., The Faith  of Secular Jews, at p. 78 (KTAV, 1976); Tenzin Gyatso, Dalai Lama XIV, Nobel Evening Address (Oslo, Norway, December 10, 1989), in Sidney Piburn, ed., The Dalai Lama, A Policy of Kindness:  An Anthology of Writings by and about the Dalai Lama, at p. 115 (Snow Lion PUbl., 2d ed. 1993).  Eric Alan Isaacson 04:42, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Religious Humanists
Are atheist leaders religious leaders or not? It's hard to say, because while atheists are often considered to be irreligious, "I am an atheist" is certainly an acceptable answer to the question "What is your religious background?" I think that since Sherwin Wine is only identified as a religious leader by the wiki-tag at the bottom of the article, and not in the actual text of the article, that Sherwin Wine as a person is being fairly characterized.

I've edited the paragraph describing Sherwin Wine's congregation because I feel that in its previous version it was POV--it unfairly implied that non-secular Jews fail to recognize their youth for jobs well done. There's a fine line between explaining some unusual religious practices and advocating for unusual practices by describing them as an improvement over the practices of the majority.

130.132.231.50 00:45, 14 May 2006 (UTC)Jason.Green-Lowe@yale.edu

Rabbi
Although Sherwin wine was ordained under reform Judaism, is it still proper to call him a rabbi? Humanistic Judaism is determinedly non-theistic and also denies the tradition of theologicall inspired law (common to all other ordaining groups). Does he or any of his congregation use the title rabbi? Or is it perhaps something more appropriately categorized as part of his Reform past and not his present status? 140.180.166.176 21:58, 29 April 2007 (UTC)


 * It is appropriate to call Wine a rabbi. His congregation and movement both regard him as a rabbi.  See, e.g., Charles R. Paul, Rabbi Sherwin T. Wine: A Diamond, in Cohn-Sherbok, et al. 2003, at p.227.  The movement has attracted Conservative and Reform rabbis, and now also ordains its own.  See Ruth Duskin Feldman, How Sherwin Wine Built the Fifth Branch of Judaism, in Cohn-Sherbok, et al. 2003, at p. 146. Eric Alan Isaacson 04:22, 11 May 2007 (UTC)Eric Alan Isaacson

Start classification
I have classified this article as a start. It has ample references but sourcing of individual claims needs to be improved. Capitalistroadster 01:29, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

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Sexual orientation and thinking differently
Quite a surprise to read in the final paragraph of the article that Wine died in a car crash while travelling with "his longtime life partner Richard McMains". Nothing earlier in the article even hinted at a non-mainstream sexual orientation. Yet people who make life choices that don't fit the prevailing notions of what's appropriate are more than usually motivated to question such ideas. It would be instructive to learn whether Wine's sexual orientation was a factor in his divergent thinking about religion – particularly if we have any autobiographical sources on the topic. Does anybody know of relevant material? yoyo (talk) 12:03, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

Congregation Beth El in Windsor
It would be great to link the Windsor congregation Wine helped to found, since Temple Beth El in Detroit is linked. Congregation Beth El in Windsor is an active congregation. Here is the link to their website: https://bethelwindsor.org/ 2601:405:4900:BD70:9891:C5AC:E0CD:6F52 (talk) 12:18, 24 January 2024 (UTC)