Talk:Sheryl Crow/Archive 1

First picture
I would appreciate it if someone inserted a better picture of her. I don't know how. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.209.123.126 (talk) 03:29, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Is Crow part Native American? She looks like she might be
What's her background anyway? I'm not prejudiced but I am curious.

67.40.136.109 (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 15:23, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Highly publicised?
If she denies it and if it's so highly publicised, how come the rumour skanks can't provide a single citation to her having an affair with Clapton? And as it's just speculation and she puts a value on her private life (which led to a well known and really publicised and talked about depression) why can't you gossip freaks just leave her alone?

Until this 'highly publicised' affair has at least one citation - and better yet gets the nod from her - it should be removed. Shame. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.1.131.40 (talk) 10:39, 29 December 2006 (UTC).

Garbage song
The run baby run link in the discography section points to Garbage song not a Sheryl Crow song.

Gulf War fan-rift
What's the story with the Gulf War fan-rift trivia? I'm a pretty devout Sheryl Crow fan and visit her website a great deal. I never heard anything about this. Is there any verification? Has any news story been written about it? Thanks for the info...


 * There was a period of about 8-10 weeks after her highly publicised comments regarding the war where her message boards were offline stating "technical difficulties". Shortly after they came back online there were comments by members and moderators alike not to allow the boards to descend into the depths of political discussion and flaming that they have prior to the closure. As far as I am aware, it never made a media story, and there was no official announcement about it either way.

Alternative rock
Sheryl Crow "alternative rock"??? C'mon, if she's alternative the term is truly meaningless. --Robert Merkel


 * I think people call her alternative because the diversity of her music is unique. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.209.123.126 (talk) 04:37, 2 August 2009 (UTC)


 * It seems you likely have never bought an album of hers, then, (or at least not past her debut,) as much of her non-radio material is extremely experimental, both lyrically and musically. -EB-
 * I have bought one, and am changing it. A few songs could be called alternative, but she is definitely not an alternative rocker by any reasonable definition.  Allmusic.com strives to include as many genres in an artist's description as possible, and not even they list her as alternative rock in the sense this is meant -- they do say "adult alternative pop/rock".  As far as I can tell from their description of the "genre", it's an entirely random assortment of bands.  I don't think "adult alternative" is in common use, and it's misleading to call her alternative rock in this article because people associate that term with a genre that has boundaries, into which she does not fit.  I'm going to say blues rock because a: it has a meaning that the average reader can understand; b: she plays a pop-heavy version of blues rock. Tokerboy


 * I think she is alternative. What are the boundaries of alternative music that she lies without? Hyacinth 10:50, 7 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree with alternative rock genre, as it is a relative term, relative to the rock played on the radio now which is quite different from her style. It is not meant to signify avant garde etc. just slightly more esoteric than the mass market rock.  Blues rock also fits, but that is a pretty narrow genre, one of the best being Rob Tognoni imho.


 * I am inclined to agree with Robert Merkel, in the sense that the term "alternative" has little meaning. The problem comes from the term itself, I think.   What is alternative rock an alternative to?  If anything experimental can be called alternative, than surely Mozart, Beethoven, Dizzy Gillespe, Miles Davis, Post-Sgt. Pepper's Beatles, and almost any other musical artist that challenged the traditions of their field could be called alternative.  If alternative is considered independant, than Buddy Holly is alternative.  If alternative is anything non-pop, and pop is defined as Top 40, than not only is Sheryl Crow not alternative, but neither is Nirvana, Weezer, or Pearl Jam.  Frankly, anything "alternative" to what the listener thinks is generic fits the genre.   The problem with alternative as a term, or rather, the problem with it's lack of definition, is that it has become so popular that we are afraid to come up with new terms or just refer to something as "Rock".  Is Sheryl Crow's music rock?  By most standards, yes.  Is all rock music released after 1990 alternative?  Look around and one quickly notices the answer to that is also yes.Crazytonyi 11:05, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

James Bond movie
I could be mistaken (I'm not a native english speaker), but wouldn't "the eponymous 1997 James Bond movie" be called "James Bond"? I'm pretty sure that the Sheryl Crow album "Sheryl Crow" is eponymous, in that it is named after the artist. I think that "the 1997 James Bond movie of the same name" would be better.

Unreleased album
Is "Unreleased Album" the name of an album? If not, then let's take it out of the discography, as it isn't something available. RickK | Talk 06:16, 14 Mar 2004 (UTC)


 * Sheryl Crow's unreleased debut album was to have been called "Sheryl Crow." Sometimes this gets confused with Sheryl's 1996 album, also named "Sheryl Crow." This website explains the unreleased album situation very well: http://www.jasonrh.com/sc1992.htm

Kevin Gilbert
There appears to be some inconsistency between the entry for Sheryl Crow and that for Kevin Gilbert over how her debut album came about and her relationships around the time. She was in a relationship with Gilbert, who co-wrote and plays on the first album, but at some point her affections switched to Bottrell. However, I'm not clear enough myself on events to attempt an edit.

Picture
Is it just me who feels that the picture could be a bit more tasteful? Just I've always thought of Sheryl as a elegant singer, rather than a hollywood whore. Don't mean to be conservative or anything, I just feel that there could be a better picture but whatever.

Messy Thinking 22:37, 2 January 2006 (UTC) The image corresponding to her page seems a teense too suggestive. Are there any others, which also show off her teeth, you could replace it with?


 * What image is that? Hyacinth 19:12, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

1st album controversy
I think, perhaps, there's not enough made of the decidedly muffled controversy surrounding her first album. I think the LA Times had a story on it.

The info on the first album seems to come from a revisionist. Sheryl became familar with the "tuesday night music club" through her boyfriend, who was a member. She recorded their songs then claimed to have been much more involved in the creative process than she was. I'm going to try to dig up some sources but this part should definitely be changed. If anything, it's just factually wrong to say she formed the tuesday night music club.

From G Davis Sheryl's boyfriend, Kevin Gilbert, was not in the Tuesday night club he was the club. The musicians that gathered there have all readily stated that they were basically there in awe of his musical abilities-not that they were not geniuses in their own right. Sheryl was invited there simply because she was Gilbert's girlfriend and he let her sing some back up vocals and taught her to play some things on the keyboard. Kevin basically wrote all of the material on her first album. The TNMC had been practicing this music for some time and Sheryl basically took copies of the music and took credit for it and went shopping for a new record deal behind the back of all of the other musicians. Kevin's pedigree as a musician can easily be traced and verified up to his early and unseemly death(thanks Sheryl). Sheryl will not talk about Kevin or even acknowledge her history with him-she simply acts like he did not exist. I would like to put her on the spot someday so that she has to face the truth. This story is one of musics scandals and no one even wants to talk about it. G Davis


 * "Sheryl has earned the disdain of many California music insiders because she took copies of the music that Gilbert and other Tuesday Night Music Club members had written before she was in the picture and took credit for writing it and got a music deal with their music behind their back while she was just a backup singer and keyboard player for them largely just because she was Gilbert's girlfriend."

This seems really...bitter and personal, and not NPOV. There's a lot of weird, uncited accusations being thrown out here--I know nothing about her career but the above reads very unencyclopedicly.

"Kevin basically wrote all of the material on her first album." G Davis

Here is a line from Bill Bottrell, producer of Tuesday Night Music Club:

"She wrote the majority of the album. The guys and I contributed writing and lyrics, including some personal things. However, the sound was the sound that I developed.”

Source: New York Times, February 5, 2008 - http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/05/arts/music/05crow.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1 --Geetarguy (talk) 14:50, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Edit to introduction
The introduction is not balanced, innudendo about michael jackson should not take up half the introduction. Sheryl has said mostly positive regarding michael, so these must also be acknowledged if you are to place tabloid gossip.

But the article should have somehthing about her work with Michael Jackson. Isn't that pretty much how she broke into the music business? Some of her songs, while not talking about Michael Jackson specifically, do seem to criticize his "people." Listen to "What I Can Do for You." 74.139.216.119 01:00, 28 June 2007 (UTC)Ab

Regarding this tidbit
I have removed the following as I believe it has no place in this article, and I could not independently validate it:


 * During the mid to late 1990's there was a persistent internet rumor that she had performed in at least one pornographic movie. Nobody could actually name the alleged movie, and it was regarded as an urban legend that appears to have died out by 2000.

If the editor, User:Hmoul would like to explain why he/she believes this edit is worthy of inclusion, please feel free to discuss it here. Thanks! -- Joe Beaudoin Jr. Think out loud 19:51, 16 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I recall this rumor, but it was a nude picture not a movie. I saw at least one copy of the alleged nude picture but it was not Crow (I think it may have been adult fim actress Francesca Le). The rumor going around was prevalent enough at the time that somebody wrote and posted a story about some teenagers searching the internet for the picture. MK2 04:14, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Discography cleanup
How does the discography need to be cleaned up? Hyacinth 10:50, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Use of first name
Someone edited part of the article to say "In school, Sheryl was active in choir..." and "Sheryl sang in the...". Per Wikipedia:Manual of Style (biographies), this is discouraged because "The use of the first name gives the impression that the writer knows the subject personally, which, even if true, is not relevant.". Also, in my opinion, it makes the article read like a People Magazine fluf-piece. --rogerd 22:07, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

University of Missouri
Which one? --Gbleem 04:22, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

The main campus in Columbia, Missouri.

Also, apparently she was a student at UMC the same time that Brad Pitt and Elizabeth Vargas were. Does anyone know if these future celebrities actually knew each other while they were students at UMC?

Lack of cited sources
There seems to be a lack of sources cited in this article. Please remember you MUST cite sources per WP:V and WP:NOR. Uncited claims, including any marked with "", will be removed unless citations are added ASAP. —B33R(talk • contribs) 12:06, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism
the "2007 and beyond" section is full of blatant sarcasm. Please clean up. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.37.209.43 (talk) 18:48, 8 February 2007 (UTC).

Cleaned up, thank you!

Soundtrack notes
Sheryl Crow recorded Eric Clapton's "Keep on Growing" for the soundtrack of the movie "Boys on the Side." Also, a duet with Steve Earle titled Time Has Come Today is on the soundtrack of "Steal This Movie."71.53.68.183 08:54, 15 March 2007 (UTC) 71.53.67.23 21:53, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Grammy contradiction
The intro says that she has won 9 grammies, but her awards section says she has won ten. TheKillerAngel 02:56, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

The clean up
I have done many drugs some cleaning up to this article: I have fixed some sources, corrected all parts that refer to Sheryl Crow by her first name, put in some needed commas, merged a couple of sentences into one paragraph, and removed some unnecessary external links. It wasn't a hard job, but I thought I'd at least say what I've done. Acalamari 18:10, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

==> Well, its not like it was newsworthy or showed up in major media or monopolized every late night comedians monologue for a week. Oh wait, it did. But this is Wikipedia after all, a Democratic apologist at best and blatant source of misinformation at worst, so let's save the trash talking for Karl Rove.

Someone Keeps Deleting References to Crow's Arguement with Karl Rove
And deleting references to her lifelong Democratic activisim and donations (100% to Democratic Candidates). As Crow seeks to shed her entertainer image and become more active in the fight on Global Warming, it is a disservice to her to ignore these contributions.

TP
No TP for her bunghole. (not much anyway) --Kalmia 18:10, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Should there be a separate subject on the matter of her toilet paper comments? I think there should be, and I think it should be called "TP" since it's been deemed inappropriate for "2007 and Beyond." Essgee 18:46, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

No mention of toilet paper?
So the single most reported incident in Sheryl Crow's life is not newsworthy? Every late night talk show had at least a minute on it. The story went around the globe and got five minutes on every news show in the world and its not even mentioned here? Surely more people know her more for toilet paper than for Globe Sessions?!
 * But there is a mention, about a sentence in relation to the visit with Karl Rove. It is not going to be notable in a year or two. Calwatch 07:13, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Early work with Jimmy Buffett
She's credited in the liner notes of Jimmy Buffett's album Off to See the Lizard as a back-up singer. This seems worth noting in her "early career" since that album was released in 1989. I think it's likely that she got the job through her connection to Jay Oliver. Anyone with more information? Slingstone (talk) 00:57, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Cancer?
Didn't she have breast cancer- there's nothing on it under 'personal life' or anywhere else here. I think it's relevant. 86.2.38.112 (talk) 16:34, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Neil Finn
As I understand it, Neil Finn (from Crowded House) did the backing vocals on the song "Everyday is a winding road" and she did a duet with Neil on one of his songs (I think 'Turn and Run'?). I think these should be mentioned in the article =) (Both Neil and Sheryl rock btw).

--SparkyCola (talk) 11:46, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Text makes it sound like Crow killed Gilbert
At the end of the "Early career" section there is a discussion of Crow's relationship with Gilbert. The text mentions that "disputes arose about songwriting credits" and then, without any sort of segue, states "Gilbert was found dead..." At the moment, this section seems (to me at least) to imply some sort of relationship between the dispute and Gilbert's death. I know absolutely nothing about this, so to others who are more informed: If accusations were made then this should be clearly stated. If not, the section should be rearranged so that the souring of their relationship and his subsequent death can be understood by the reader as two separate, and unrelated, events. Bassganglia (talk) 17:36, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Personal Life section
What is up with the "Personal life" section of this article? It seriously needs to be cleaned up. A lot of it has nothing to do with her personal life. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.166.23.133 (talk) 15:13, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, seriously, it looks like a random collection of trivia and facts, very much IMDB style. I checked to see if it was just copied pasted directly from IMDB, but it's not, though I'd wager it's copied and pasted from somewhere. The paragraphs are all single-sentence, there's no rhyme or reason, no chronological order or any other logical order, just a giant mess. At least it's tagged with the "this section may require cleanup" thing, although that should be at the top, not the middle. Definitely needs a ton of work. Klopek007 (talk) 20:51, 25 March 2010 (UTC)