Talk:Shewhart cycle

Joiner Method
Is there any reason to carry the "Joiner Seven Step Method"? It looks like advertisement for a non-notable consultant. Ehusman 22:33, 20 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Dr. Joiner worked closely with Dr. Deming for many years. Deming often quoted and gave credit to Dr. Joiner for contributions in his books and during The Deming Four Day Seminars. The Joiner Seven Step Method is widely recognized as a useful elaboration of the Shewhart Cycle. Dr. Joiner has retired from practice.


 * See: Brian L. Joiner, Fourth Generation Management: The New Business Consciousness McGraw-Hill; 1 edition (February 1, 1994) ISBN: 0070327157


 * I was unable to find a reference to the Joiner Seven Step Method (other than a brief listing in the glossary section of the Library section) on the Oriel Incorporated web site. I suggest keeping the information about the Joiner Seven Step Method in the body of the article and deleting the link to the Oriel Incorporated web site.


 * Very interesting. May I suggest that you register and join us as more than just a number?  Ehusman 01:36, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

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Deming Library Videos

The definitive, comprehensive presentation of the Deming philosophy as Dr. W. Edwards Deming developed and taught it. The Library contains 32 1/2 hr. programs with narration and teaching guides (on CDROM).

This is the complete and authoritative presentation of the Deming philosophy of continual improvement and cooperation in video with teaching guides. Dr. Deming collaborated with producer Clare Crawford-Mason and writer/narrator Lloyd Dobyns for more than eight years to produce an account of his theory of managing for continual improvement based on knowledge of systems and the principle of variation.

http://www.managementwisdom.com/imdemvol3cas.html

Implementing Deming, Vol. 3: The Case Against Management by Objective

This video features Dr. Brian L. Joiner, CEO of Joiner Associates. He describes Western management practices as a combination of three generations of management: doing it yourself, directing another person, and managing by results which he states is a subset of management by objectives. Dr. Joiner recommends the "fourth generation of management," which he refers to as "management by method." This management strategy places emphasis on methods as well as results. 26:27 min. Includes teaching guide.

http://www.managementwisdom.com/imdemvol4wha.html

Implementing Deming, Vol 4: What To Do Instead of Managing by Objectives

Dr. Joiner discusses implementation of continual improvement. He begins with the 14 Points and discusses in detail how to use the Plan-Do-Check-Act (PDCA) cycle as the logic for on-going improvement. He recommends that leaders initially select a few key processes for improvement. Appropriate data has to be gathered and analyzed. Dr. Joiner summarizes the important differences between MBO and management for continual improvement. 23:27 min. Includes teaching guide.

Leaders100 14:47, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

PDCA/PDSA
The Shewhart cycle is also known as PDSA: Plan, Do, Study, Act. There is a difference between PDSA and PDCA. Study is used to maintain the original intent of Dr. Shewhart in the cycle being a learning method based on the Scientific Method. Check implies only that the desired results occurred and that potential learning may be overlooked. The origin of Shewhart's concept is in epistemology and the work of C. I. Lewis. Shewhart was presenting a theory of knowledge.

Shewhart never labeled the steps of the cycle as PDCA which seems to have originated in Japan in the 1950s/1960s. Shewhart did not use PDSA. Deming insisted on PDSA as opposed to PDCA to return focus to Shewhart's original intent of learning. To add to the confusion some call the cycle the Deming cycle. Deming never used that term as he always called it the Shewhart cycle. Leaders100 12:42, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Buzzword template added
I added the buzzword template to the article. The entire article seems to be made to lend the appearance of system and rigor to obvious and uninformative statements about planning. - Smerdis of Tlön 14:07, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Merge with PDCA
I've tagged this article and the PDCA article to be considered for merging

--Prainog 03:06, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Merge with [PDCA] con't.
The entry needs to start from a slightly 'higher' (i. e., more distant) level. Yes, PDCA and PDSA are closely related, and yes, the four words do not clearly explain the steps & stages of the development. They can't, without a lot more explanation.

This (or these) approach comes from the Scientific method (Wikipedia ref), consisting of 3 steps - hypothesis, experiment, evaluation. Francis Bacon (Wikipedia ref) viewed the cycle as starting with observation - his experiment. When we do a production problem solving scene, or a straightforward statistical test like a Student 't' test, we start with an hypothesis, the testing of which drives the experiment.

PDCA, PDSA, Ford's 8-D, Six-Sigma, my own A2Q Method (TM), and a host of other step-wise sequences all come from the scientific method and the fundamental concept of feedback (review, evaluation, Check or Study) that it embodies.

Whether you 'check' or 'study,' plan thoroughly or intuitively (not in writing), is secondary to whether you complete the scientific method cycle, start to finish and back to start again. I urge the editors to put the nit-picking in one corner, and focus on the core benefit of using a clear expression of the scientific method. "Clear expression" = understood by the user.

I will be happy to write a draft for Wiki general review (and chewing up? :), but not for 2 more weeks.

Jay Warner

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