Talk:Sheylanli

Edits by 83.217.229.146
83.217.229.146, please explain your edits, see, first in the talk page before removing content from the article. You have several times removed sourced fact saying "Sheylanli is a Kurdish village" (the same you did for Minkend). If you believe that is not true (I am being from that region know that Sheylanli village was founded and 100% populated by kurds until Nagorno-Karabakh war), please explain why do you think Sheylanli is not a Kurdish village. And also, in edit summary you asked for neutral source. What makes you think that Voice of Karabakh is not a neutral source? This source belongs to the third party, Azerbaijani government rather than Kurdish government or organization. You are absolutely required to explain another edit of yours, replacement of "area occupied by Armenian Military forces" by "area liberated by Armenian Military forces." And finally, I cant understand why Sheylanli is Armenian related article, because of it is occupation by Armenia? I'm not sure if this would be the reason to put there {Armenia-geo-stub} template. -- Gül məm məd Talk 13:24, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * A source doesn't have to be neutral, we need to be neutral. However, Voice of Karabakh does not qualify as a reliable source. Please see WP:RS. Pocopocopocopoco (talk) 03:06, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I saw WP:RS and found indeed Voice of Karabakh qualify as a reliable third-party(see above explanation) source for given fact. Above I gave clear explanation for the fact that Sheylanli is a Kurdish village. If you and 83.217.229.146 don't want to know that Sheylanli is a Kurdish village, then that is not the problem of provided source and please let it stay there. -- Gül məm məd Talk 04:20, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Articles should rely on reliable, third-party published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. This means that we only publish the opinions of reliable authors, and not the opinions of Wikipedians who have read and interpreted primary source material for themselves. These specific examples cover only some of the possible types of reliable sources and source reliability issues, and are not intended to be exhaustive. The appropriateness of any source always depends on the context, which is a matter of common sense and editorial judgment.
 * Now how does Voice of Karabakh qualify? It doesn't have a reputation for fact checking and accuracy. It also represents an extreme view. Pocopocopocopoco (talk) 04:27, 1 June 2008 (UTC)


 * It says Sheylanli is a Kurdish village and also I personally know that, then what is your problem with this? You are just edit warring. Please don't modify sourced information under the same reference. You don't know where the Village located, you are attempting to edit an article about a village which had about 150 families before the Nagorno-Karabakh war. Sheylanli was not even around what is called Lachin corridor but in your edit you are saying it was part of the crucial Lachin corridor! -- Gül məm məd Talk 04:42, 1 June 2008 (UTC)


 * If you want to know, you can see the statement of Armenian ministry of defense regarding recent (around presidential elections in Armenia) incident between Azerbaijani and Armenian military forces in Agdam Rayon. If that is ethnic Armenian military forces, why ministry of defense of Armenia stats that incident happened between Armenian and Azerbaijani military forces while Armenia always claims that Nagorno-Karabakh is independent and all occupied territories are under control of military forces of so called Nagorno-Karabakh republic?  Gül məm məd  Talk 04:56, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Tags
Tags have been placed because this article looks like blatant POV pushing. Azerbaijani propaganda sites are being used as sources. Other sources are being used that do not support what is written. For instance, the UN source doesn't say that Armenian military forces are in control of the region, it says local Armenian forces. Gulmammad reverted my correction. Gulmammad also claims above that since he knows something to be true it should be added in the article. Hence I am also going to put an OR tag. Pocopocopocopoco (talk) 05:01, 1 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Why do you think Azerbaijani site want to put info saying that in Azerbaijan there is Kurdish population? Why do you think Voice of Karabakh is a propaganda site? Besides, you shouldn't say this in wikipedia since you have a good knowledge related Armenian-Azerbaijani arbitrations. I have provided at least one source which says the fact is true. Now you add another source which says it isn't true, Sheylanli wasn't a Kurdish village.  Gül məm məd Talk 05:14, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Voice of Karabakh source
Voice of Karabakh is not a reliable source and I have removed it as such it is basically a propaganda site. Pocopocopocopoco (talk) 01:30, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Summary of the edit
Here is the complete edit summary to this edit. In edit summary I wanted to say blocked IP as other editor in his edit summary mentioned that the ref. had been provided by Gulmammad.  Gülməmməd Talk 03:40, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * tihs article is not reliable and is based on propagand materials by gulmammad so tags will be returned for a neutral version. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sevan79 (talk • contribs) 12:51, 13 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh really? I didn't know The Guardian,  Institute for War and Peace Reporting, and the U.S. Department of State could publish propaganda materials which I used here. I am sorry.  Gülməmməd  Talk 19:49, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

WP:RSN discussion of this article
I have initiated a discussion of this article at the reliable sources noticeboard. Please add your thoughts here. Pocopocopocopoco (talk) 00:40, 14 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I have added a tag to describe the problems with this article and to send the reader to the WP:RSN reliable sources noticeboard to help resolve the problems with this article. user:Gulmammad has in the past removed tags without any good explanation. Please do not remove this tag as it is being used to get a broader discussion at the reliable sources noticeboard. Pocopocopocopoco (talk) 21:05, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Please see the discussion at the reliable sources noticeboard for the reasoning behind the tags. Pocopocopocopoco (talk) 03:17, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The discussion hasn't finished yet and according to its current stage, you cannot put any tag to the article.  Gülməmməd Talk 06:21, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

See the discussion at the reliable sources noticeboard for the reason of the removal of the images. Pocopocopocopoco (talk) 02:36, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Images
As discussed here and at WP:RSN. Those images were taking by the author of this article and are not reliably sourced. I am removing them and hope that reliably sourced images can be found in the future. Pocopocopocopoco (talk) 04:22, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

The area is controlled by the forces of the Nagorno-Karabakh republic not the Armenian Military forces
Three sources are used to describe who controls the region. One is institute of war and peace, the other is the Guardian and the third is a UN resolution. The Institute of War and Peace and the Guardian are both editorials. So the best source is the UN resolution. The UN resolution describes the occupiers as "local Armenian forces". Hence the article should either say: 1) local Armenian forces 2) forces of the Nagorno-Karabakh Armenians or 3) forces of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic.

Which of the three do you think best describes the situation? Pocopocopocopoco (talk) 02:13, 20 July 2008 (UTC)


 * First let me ask you a question: Has NKR been recognized by any member of the UN? Why the republic of Armenia doesn't recognize what is called NKR? If even the republic of Armenia doesn't recognize proposed another Armenian republic, then why should we, Wikipedia, recognize it? Why do we need to show internationally recognized region of Azerbaijan under the name of NKR? Let us wait until it will be internationally recognized.

Regarding removed tags, the tag on the ref. #9 removed because the same fact is in the book but we don't have an access with a click and therefore we can keep it without tagging. The last two tags removed because the sources independently (one of them is Armenian and another Azerbaijani source) support the same fact, which is presented in the article.  Gülməmməd Talk 03:42, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

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