Talk:Shi'er lü

Expert attention
Why, what, where, and how does this article need attention from an expert? Hyacinth (talk) 07:54, 4 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Tag removed. Hyacinth (talk) 00:24, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Reference verification failed
As stated in the above note previously added, the book does not mention the term "Shi-er-lu", thus I removed the citation. Hyacinth (talk) 08:22, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Asiatic Society of Japan (1891). Transactions of the Asiatic Society of Japan, Vol. XIX.

Reference to western chromatic scale
"Unlike the Western chromatic scale, the shí-èr-lǜ was not used as a scale in its own right; it is rather a set of fundamental notes on which other scales were constructed."

I'm not sure how this differentiates it from the traditional western scale. The western scale is not usually used on its own either, it's used to build the major and minor scales, or other modal scales. People do not generally set a piece of music in the key of the chromatic scale, and it wasn't until the modern era and atonalism that it started to be used on its own.

Yeah. I thought the exact same thing. The trends towards modulation and modal mixture in the Common Practice period did lead to all 12 notes often being used in the same composition, and sometimes people play chromatic scales in music (i.e., play all the pitches between 2 pitches in sequence, going up or down), and in the twentieth century people started writing atonal music that doesn't stick to any scale more specific than the 12-note one and that sometimes tries to treat all 12 notes equally. However, these developments happened mostly after the Pythagorean tuning was replaced by other tuning systems, especially 12-tone equal temperament, and the chromatic "scale" is still MOSTLY used as you say. DubleH (talk) 23:20, 22 May 2022 (UTC)