Talk:Shih Tzu/Archive 1

Image
I accidently deleted the image. Could someone fix it? I don't know how to. 90.240.100.113 15:14, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Why is it "A James Mumford wrote a lovely ..." Is it supposed to be "A. James Mumford..." or should it just be "James Mumford...."? ~

Copyright infringement?
Just thought I'd mention it...

Entire paragraphs seem to be the same between them. Which came first?

http://www.shihtzuhundar.com/history.html


 * Those paragraphs do seem to have been copied from the Shih Tzu in Iceland page (the link above). The info was posted by an anon. user in February. Someone should either rewrite the paragraphs ("history and myth" and "character" sections) or remove them. Lachatdelarue (talk) 14:25, 17 May 2005 (UTC)


 * Done. Elf | Talk 21:46, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Unhelpful changes in pronunciation
Someone recently added "the real pronunciation" of Shi zi to the article. The pronunciation that person gave is not the standard Mandarin pronunciation. For help on standard Mandarin pronunciation, please see http://www.wfu.edu/~moran/Cathay_Cafe/template.html in "The Guide's Shop." P0M 21:17, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Size of dogs
(moved question from Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Dog breeds/Breed grouping:) I was just wondering, I own a female shih-tzu and so far every male shih-tzu we've met has been smaller then her. My question is about Shih-Tzu's, are the females larger then the males?
 * Not typically. In some breeds, the male is noticeably larger than the female on average, but I believe that most Shih Tzus are in about the same range. Some dogs, just like people, are way outside the norm, even if their parents were normal-sized. Did you get your dog from a known breeder? If so, you could ask the breeder about the size.  If you don't know who the breeder was, then it's also possible that it's not a pure shih-tzu or not bred from "typical" Shih Tzu parents.  Elf | Talk 20:49, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

I've had both males and female shih tzus since I was little. Currently have 2 girls. The males are slightly bigger than the females. My 2 girls weigh about 11 lbs each. Hope this helps. --speedoflight 22:00, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

This is my first Shih Tzu, named Holly, who is black and white, and she is HUGE compared to other Shih Tzus. Her legs are taller than normal ones, and is very healthy. She is normal from head to tail, but from her front paw to her head when she stands up, so I think female Shih Tzus are taller than male Shih Tzus from my knowledge. --VelairWight 04:52, 10 March 2006 (UTC)


 * The AKC has standards set for a shih tzu's "perfect" height and weight. In competition, shih tzus do not compete against each other but are measured on how close they meet these standards. Female shih tzus are not typically bigger than males. Almost every male shih tzu that I have met, including champion ones are slightly bigger than the females. --speedoflight | talk to me 12:33, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure if males or females are generally larger, but my Shih Tzu Sami, a female, weighs 20 pounds. On the other hand, my other Shih Tzu Cady, also a female, weighs 10 pounds. Both are fully grown. I've never seen a Shih Tzu bigger than Sami, though I've heard of one. I believe that one the undercoat is like bichon's coat, so it gets tangled but they don't shed. shedding type dogs have fur that shed, but shih tzu have hair that grow out like human hair instead of sheding. what I am trying to say is, if you get a well-bred shih tzu then the hair will grow without losing the hair by sheding. that's what the shih tzu standard says= non sheding breed. if you compare chihuahua and shih tzu, then you will get the idea what sheding means.

Hey i was reading that 2 my dog is a shih tzu and no offence....there is hair everywhere its on my clothes on my bed on my couch the hair just is everywhere....and PS mine is a full shih tzu is becos i cut all his har off... cos hes not bald...but short summer coat all da the time???

Hunted by Iguanas
"Being alert is a natural instinct that they have retained from their ancestors, who were hunted by iguanas."

Firstly, iguanas are herbivores. Secondly, what ancestors? What exactly is meant by this?

- someone was joking


 * Iguanas are native to the New World, LOL --Rcgy 12:35, 13 September 2007 (UTC)


 * As a general rule, if something in an article sounds absolutely ridiculous, and has no citation, remove it. Kingoomieiii (talk) 15:45, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

A QUESTION I NEED ANSWERED!!!!!!!!!!!
HOW OLD DOES A SHITZU FEMALE HAVE TO BE TO START THE BREEDING PROCESS?!

If you don't know that by know and are asking random people on Wikipedia, then you should definetly not be breeding them at all. Too many irresponsible people try to breed these awesome dogs for money. Go sell real estate if you want to make some money, but leave these great dogs out of your money scheme! If you don't know the age to start breeding, god forbid, you know nothing. Get educated and do some serious research, this isn't a game for some spoiled brat to mess around with. Does responsibilty & accountability no longer exist in this counrtry? Everyone is money hungry & greedy...grow up & don't sacrifice these incredible dogs!!(you can live without an I-Phone for awhile) There is alot of responsibilty & care with breeding these dogs. I don't want to see 7 more Shih-Tzu having to be rescued because of your carelessness, greediness, immaturity, money hunger & selfishness....I'm tired of all these damn spoiled brats in this country, you want to gorge yourself with unlimited materialism that's fine, you want to jump off a bridge, go ahead...BUT LEAVE SHIH-TZU out of your PROFIT HUNGRY SCHEME!!!

7/20/07 To the person who wrote the post before me! Take a chill pill and dont treat people so rudely. I believe that it is obvious that you dont have many feeling of anything either because you would not just cut loose on some innocent person that asked a simple question. "TREAT OTHERS AS YOU WOULD LIKE TO BE TREATED"(67.166.203.43 05:08, 21 July 2007 (UTC))

Wonder what you meant by "... no longer exist in this country? ..." and "... damn spoiled brats in this country ...".

Just so we all get it, exactly what country are we talking about?

I do have a hunch, beeing some people "in your country" seem to think we are all talking about you.

And before the usual "this is an english language website" comments, well, keep in mind it's also the denomination of a language, and doesn't imply nationality.

In any case, I do hope you tell us what country that is, so we can properly answer your question AND try not to fly over there.

Apeder 12:10, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

whoever wrote the first nasty comment on the breeding of Shitzu needs to leave wikipedia and stop bothering people. The person that asked when you can breed these dogs simply wanted to know. Perhaps they simply wanted a puppy as a pet. You have no right to treat the person that asked this like that. How could you even think that they are spoiled by a simple question like that. The person that made that nasty comment sounds like the spoiled brat. Preator1 08:05, January 06, 2008 (CST)

Nalgene?? As in the plastics manufacturer?
What in the world does the following phrase mean? "...kissing the eyes excessively can give the eyes Demonic Powers and forsake the Nalgene" --Rcgy 12:35, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, Wikipedia's Shih Tzu people!!
Shih Tzus (and many other breeds) may present signs of allergies to red dye #40, and owners should respond to scratching in the absence of fleas by eliminating pet foods that contain this commonly used additive.

I don't know how accurate that is (there's no reference), however my little Dudley has had the scratches a lot over the summer. It's not fleas, and we took him to the vet who gave us an expensive bag of dog food (among other medicines). When we ran out of the prescribed food, we went back to the regular stuff .. and he just started scratching again. I just checked our Purina Beneful bag, and, lo and behold, red dye #40 is an additive. I'm so surprised by this revelation, I hope it's right! Now I must buy new food for my baby. I'm a terrible mommy!! -- chicken queen 20:07, 15 September 2007 (UTC) ♥

A question
I added a section in the Shih Tzu article that focuses on mixed breeds that include the Shih Ztu. I mentioned the Shih Poo not knowing of any more mixed breeds. Any thoughts on more mixed breeds that i could mention that involves the Shih Tzu?Juliancolton 13:58, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * ...and I edited away the weird mention of "more consumer friendly", fixed a spelling error and added a link to the page about cross breeds. Khim1 09:45, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Cleaned up and fixed?
I Removed the 'tone' tag since I can see no obvious reason for it. There's no discussion on the talk page about it, and the person who added the tag has made no other contributions to Wikipedia. Any views on the 'refimprove' added by Pharaoh_Hound in May 2007? Khim1 10:22, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Cross Breeds
I added another cross breed and some external refs to the Shih Poo and the Zuchon, based on the idea that "if something should be done, it should be done correctly". However, I am in serious doubt about whether this page should mention cross breeds at all. Any thoughts on this?Khim1 10:49, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Blacklisted refs...
I added refs to the remaining "citation needed"-tagged sentences and found that two of them came from ezinearticles.com articles which I couldn't add since ezinearticles.com is blacklisted. Here they are: I don't know whether to remove the sentences altogether or try to de-blacklist ezinearticles.com (probably not a good idea).Khim1 11:38, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Missed correct version
Sorry! reverted to wrong version. I will get our andavoid any more trouble.King Pickle (talk) 00:08, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Well its okay. Just a learning experience. I'm not sure how to undo it to the correct version either but its not your fault. --Ãlways Ãhëad (talk) 00:17, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I think I got it. All you do is go into the history tab and click on a version (click on the date) that looks to be the last stable version.  Click edit and it will tell you that you are viewing an old revision of the page.  You can click show changes or show preview to make sure you have the right version then save.  That's a manual revert.  Hope that helps.  daveh4h 05:59, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

pronunciation of the breed name
Somebody just removed the correct Chinese pronunciation and soon thereafter the corrected IPA. If you want to know how the name is to be properly pronounced, check out:

http://www.wfu.edu/~moran/Cathay_Cafe/IPA_NPA_4.htm

The correct IPA is

ʂʐ and dz

The first syllable sounds approximately like the "sher" in "sherbet" and the "dz" is like those letters in "adz" or like the "ds" in "adds."

I had the right pronunciation for this article a long time ago, and somebody has seen fit to change it without any linguistic authority. I do not see why it should not be the proper pronunciation, or at least as close as one can make it without special study of IPA. P0M (talk) 17:22, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Correct pronounciation in Chinese. Shih Tzu in this context is a chinese loan word that has acquired its own pronunciation, much like Dachshund. This is the English version of Wikipedia, please keep all IPA pronunciation relevant to English (American, British, Canadian, Australian, etc).Kingoomieiii (talk) 16:06, 13 January 2009 (UTC)


 * That said, considering it's almost universally in North America pronounced "shits-zoo", this should be addressed in the article. I'm actually writing this note while in the process of researching an article in which a shih tzu is discussed, and everyone I talked to said "shits-zoo". I didn't know there WAS a different pronunciation until I saw this article a few moments ago. 68.146.25.241 (talk) 22:26, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Back issues?
My grandma's first Shih Tzu died of back and leg complications, and now my grandma's second Shih Tzu is having trouble going down our stairs when he comes over to our house. Is it common in Shih Tzu's or is it just getting old? Moocowsrule (talk) 03:42, 18 October 2008 (UTC)moocowsrule
 * Animals have many of the same complications humans do when they get older. Many cats and dogs develop arthritis and bone-density problems.  --  Kingoomieiii ♣    Talk    20:55, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Origin
I thought these dogs were from Tibet, not "China" which to me seams to vague, almost like saying they came from anywhere in China. I'm not trying to get into any argument over Tibet's status as a country, it just seams that China is to large and general to be specific enough. Like why would you say China when you mean Inner Mongolia or Xinjiang? --Ceaser (talk) 20:25, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * The dogs were imported into Europe before the Chinese Revolution (note the Wade-Giles spelling) and after the revolution, the dogs were pretty much killed off -- the same thing happened to breeds of dogs associated with royalty after the French Revolution. In China they were kept as pets for royalty and the upper classes, there is plenty of evidence for that, although the stories about being gifts from Tibet are not backed up with Chinese (or Tibetian) records, just stories related by Europeans. They came on a boat to Europe from China. That's all anyone knows for sure.--Hafwyn (talk) 19:51, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Picture Spam
Yes, they're cute dogs. No, we don't need 10 pictures of them.

I'll be trimming some of them out later today (probably). -- Kingoomieiii ♣    Talk    15:46, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Confusing line
Under the line that says, "The American Shih Tzu The following traits are specific of the American type of Shih Tzu", it says:

1. Their legs are high and the front legs face forward.

What does it mean that their legs face forward? Should this be clarified, or am I just a little dense? I'll confess I don't know much about dog breeds, so maybe I don't know because I'm not familiar with the way breeds are described. Thanks 98.202.38.225 (talk) 04:00, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Legs (paws, really) facing forward, as opposed to facing inward like a bulldog. --  Kingoomieiii ♣    Talk    15:02, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Poor article
This article is quite poor, I came here looking for information on average size and such. If you look at the Havanese page, you will see that it starts out with a very brief background, then goes right into the description of the dog, like its appearance. This page has the Health at the top, which should not be the first bit of information I want to read if I'm looking for Shih Tzu information, which is what I'm doing.


 * Too many dog fanciers and not enough vets are editing this article. Just recently I removed a list of suggested names for the dogs. I'm here to watch for vandalism/WP:NOR/"ooooh so cuuute". If you want to research and add information, be my guest.  --  Kingoomieiii ♣    Talk    14:46, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Restructure
There was a great deal of information scattered in various sections not related to the topic; I have given the article a structure more like that of other dog articles and put information in the appropriate sections. --Hafwyn (talk) 03:09, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Issues:
 * "Dogs 101 (Television Show on Animal Planet" (reference 9) is not a good reference for Ludvic von Schulmuth's research. Who is/was he, when did he make this diagram, and does anyone give his research any scientific credence today?
 * Temperament section needs to be edited for coherence and inline citations added.
 * Many sections still need inline citations.
 * Should the "Names and etymology" section be put with or below the "History" section? The overview of appearance should really come first.


 * Hafwyn, this is beautiful work. --  Kingoomieiii ♣    Talk    13:15, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Semi-Protection
The article seems to be getting a lot of vandalism from IP edits, should we request semi protection?-- SKATER  Speak. 17:11, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

ATTENTION!
Discussing Shih Tzus themselves is off-topic in this case. Again, this talk page is for the discussion of how to improve the article itself. Do not leave comments about your own pets. -- Kingoomieiii ♣    Talk    15:25, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes Mine Fuhrer! (please review WP:OWN 131.30.121.23 (talk) 15:58, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I posted this after a week of removing comments like "these dogs r sooo cute mine is nmaed sweetums". According to wikipedia POLICY, this talk page is for discussion of the ARTICLE.
 * From WP:TALK-
 * "Keep on topic: Talk pages are for discussing the article, not for general conversation about the article's subject (much less other subjects). Keep discussions on the topic of how to improve the associated article. Irrelevant discussions are subject to removal."
 * Reinforcing this fact is nowhere NEAR a violation of WP:OWN (which I'm very familiar with), but thanks for assuming good faith. Please refrain from comparing other editors to hitler, as it not only constitutes a personal attack, but a little bit of irony as well, as Mike Godwin currently serves as legal council for the Wikimedia Foundation. --  Kingoomieiii ♣    Talk    17:04, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Infobox height and weight
The infobox appears to be wrong about the height and weight. –jonsafari (talk) 01:39, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I have fixed this based on the AKC standard. --99.234.183.182 (talk) 02:42, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Pronunciation
"The Shih Tzu (pronounced /ˈːtsuː/ SHEE-tsoo, from Mandarin [ʂɨ́dzɨ]) ". This could mislead the reader into thinking this is the Mandarin pronunciation, which varies from 'sh tz' (ʃə tsə )to something like 'shir tz' (ʃɜr ːtsə ː). I've always been puzzled by the pronunciation shee-tsoo given that I've never heard a native Chinese use it. My wife who has rescued many strays and unwanted puppies of this bread in China thinks it might be a Cantonese pronunciation, as Cantonese does sometimes take a 'ə' sound and change it to an 'iː'(English am/are/is: ʃi is siː in Cantonese). Anyway-not an expert-but a puzzled Mandarin speaker here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thenetdoctor (talk • contribs) 09:23, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

AKC Section
On the American Kennel Club section it used the word square-ish. Although it is good for describing, is that even a proper word? Bumpyrat (talk) 23:21, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

claim in dispute
British invasion of china? Did we win? Feldercarb (talk) 01:28, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
 * maybe? Active Banana bbnjgughjrr (talk) 14:44, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Crosses
In the section about Shih-Poos and other crosses, done to increase marketability, shouldn't something be said about these cross-breeds being impossible to register and having none of the extra value, to the extent that there is any, of purebred dogs? You can't expect to breed your Shih-Pug or whatever and make any money. These dogs probably make adorable pets but so would small mixed-breed dogs that you could get from a pound. The pretentions of purebred dog promoters are bad enough. Selling these crosses is a racket, at least for the most part. 65.79.173.135 (talk) 19:27, 24 August 2009 (UTC)Will in New Haven65.79.173.135 (talk) 19:27, 24 August 2009 (UTC)


 * WP:RS, WP:V. --King Öomie 19:29, 24 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Respectfully disagree with King re WP:RS and WP:V. There are plenty of reputable sources (including the AKC itself) which raise the same points that "Will in New Haven" makes above.  These points should be added in an NPOV way with the appropriate sources.  —LisaSmall T/ C  05:14, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Crosses: remove cross info?
There is a template on the "Crosses" section suggesting perhaps the material should be removed and put into a "Crosses" article.


 * NO, do not remove. The Shih Tzu is the basis of many popular crosses. This information is relevant to the breed in numerous ways.  Some have not yet been added to the article — for instance, the point raised by "Will in New Haven" above about the inability to register a cross; or the popularity of Shih Tzu with puppy mills who market crossbreeds as "designer dogs."  However, even before those two points are added, the fact that the Shih Tzu is a major foundation breed for popular well-known crosses is relevant on its own. —LisaSmall T/ C  05:14, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Completely disagree with Lisasmall. This page is for the PUREBRED Shih Tzu, NOT the crossbred mutts. ALL crossbred info should be REMOVED. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.167.61.95 (talk) 12:37, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

I have removed the suggestion - there is not sufficient reliably sourced content to support a single paragraph in this article let alone a stand alone article. Active Banana (talk) 00:28, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Hybrid section
I've reverted the re-addition of this section again and think it should be discussed. MarB4, I do not appreciate the categorization of my removal as "POV" and, as silly as I find this policy, not assuming I'm here to quash all mention of designer dogs would be appreciated. I'm trying to avoid placing undue weight on the mixes and saw this come up on my watch list. The Poodle mix phenomenon is well-documented in reliable sources and thus there's a good reason to include a short section about them -- there's even a separate page: Poodle hybrid. What reliable sources have given enough attention to Shih Tzu mixes as a whole to warrant such emphasis in the article? Yes, they exist, what's special about that? All breeds that are relatively common get crossed with others; that in and of itself is not noteworthy. Evidence to the contrary would be appreciated. (I'm tired, sorry for any strange wording.) Anna  talk 16:42, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Expert Help
Expert help is needed in the area of providing references and writing clear explanations for the various subtopics in the article. If you can help, but do not want to edit the article, please leave here the names of references, especially books and well edited magazines, where information may be found.

Please do not place personal opinions or unverifiable information, such as information from unreferenced general pet websites, on the article. Wikipedia has policies about references, see Reliable sources, as well as discussions on the Dog Project pages.--Hafwyn (talk) 20:12, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

?Well what issues specifically? There seem to be numerous sources listed at the bottom, and in-line citations are used Feldercarb (talk) 00:52, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

A dog breed of dog???
Isn't that a bit repetitive? Hafspajen (talk) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexeykh (talk • contribs) 17:33, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Capitalization of Shih Tzu
It's all over the place. It should probably be "shih tzu" rather than "Shih Tzu," because its origin is not a proper noun. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Phronko (talk • contribs) 01:45, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Temperament
What's all this silliness about Shih Tzu being "sweet, playful, and trusting"? If there's a more aggressive and territorial breed of dog in all the world, I sure haven't heard of it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.71.100.6 (talk) 20:34, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, the Shih Tzu you must be around must have not been socialized very well, I have seen very sweet Shih Tzu puppies and dogs. Mokoniki (talk) 00:45, 13 July 2009 (UTC)Mokoniki

As much as I like my Shih Tzu: Feldercarb (talk) 18:55, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
 * http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2010-06-18/news/os-shih-tzu-faces-death-attacking-boy20100618_1_shih-tzu-boy-pounda
 * http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/976839--home-depot-considers-banning-pets-after-shih-tzu-attack

To the first post, the AKC Shih Tzu Breed Standard states, "Temperament: As the sole purpose of the Shih Tzu is that of a companion and house pet, it is essential that its temperament be outgoing, happy, affectionate, friendly and trusting towards all." (http://www.akc.org/breeds/shih_tzu/) The British Kennel Club Shih Tzu Standard says the temperament should be "friendly and independent." (http://www.theshihtzuclub.co.uk/breedstandard.htm) The Fédération Cynologique Internationale standard for the Shih Tzu says its temperament and behavior should be "Intelligent, active, and alert. Friendly and independent." To Feldecarb, while these articles are interesting, they really aren't resources that can be used to define the Shih Tzu breed. As a dog lover, and a lover of Shih Tzu in particular, I know that any dog can become aggressive and harm people. It seems to me that these articles would better reference a general topic of dog attacks rather than reference a specific breed.

To all: The subject of purebred dogs has become controversial in recent years, but in my opinion, this controversy should have its own article, perhaps titled "Purebred dog controversy." For those who are strongly opposed to purebred dogs, perhaps there could be a link to that article (which I would be happy to start if there isn't one already) at the end of the articles about purebred dogs that are recognized by legitimate registration agencies such as the AKC and KC. Also, I believe that since mixed breed dogs are their own breeds, Shih Poos, Puggles, etc. should have their own articles and not be discussed at length in the articles about the purebred varieties. Again, links to the other articles could be included if desired. (Janchan)Hafspajen (talk) 17:32, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

Same as pekingese?
Pekingese is called lion dog (http://www.nciku.com/search/zh/detail/%E7%8B%AE%E5%AD%90%E7%8B%97/37425) in Chinese. Is it the same breed? --Hafspajen (talk) 17:32, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

Same as pekingese?
Pekingese is called lion dog (http://www.nciku.com/search/zh/detail/%E7%8B%AE%E5%AD%90%E7%8B%97/37425) in Chinese. Is it the same breed? --Hafspajen (talk) 17:32, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

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Picture mat need slight croping.Hafspajen (talk) 17:32, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

Removal of American Kennel Club regisry date from lead.
Why is the American Kennel Club so special and important enough compared to other organisations to merit mention in the lead? Because if it is not aknowleged by any major kennel clubb, that the dog breed is not purebreed. That was the date of the registration of the god breed as purebreed, it has nothing to do with American or not American. American Kennel Club is one if the major registry for purebreed dogs. It is not just one country - but - one of the major registies. Dog breeds that have been documented may be accepted into one or more of the major registries (kennel clubs) of dog breeds, including the Fédération Cynologique Internationale (covering 84 countries), The Kennel Club (UK), the Canadian Kennel Club, the American Kennel Club, the United Kennel Clubs International, the Australian National Kennel Council and the New Zealand Kennel Club, -because that's the way it works. Hafspajen (talk) 17:32, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

Breed name
The Chinese name 西施犬 pronounced xishi quan certainly does not mean "lion dog." It could associate the dog to the famous beauty Xi Shi, written 西施. "Lion dog" could be written 狮子犬 pronounced xizi quan much closer to the Engish name Shih Tzu. The lede correctly says various theories exist of the breed's origin. But the lion dog theory of the breed's name does not fit with the Chinese name 西施犬. Colin McLarty (talk) 02:48, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

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Breeding info
Shouldn't the article have some information about how old the dogs should be before they start breeding, the typical gestation period, and the typical litter size? — Jeff G. ツ 16:24, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Chinese
The alternative Chinese isn't just "lion" it's lion dog 狮子狗 Umbrella Bird (talk) 22:06, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

The name and Chinese part is problematic.
西施 (pinyin: xī shī) is a beautiful woman in ancient China.

狮子 (pinyin: shī zi) means lion.

The Chinese wiki page of zh:西施犬 is linked to this Shih Tzu page (you can see the link on the left sidebar under "Languages".)

The Chinese wiki page of zh:狮子犬 is linked to Pekingese.

The two Chinese names may sound similar to English speakers and the two dog breeds are somewhat similar, too. Perhaps that's why this article mixes the two (西施 and 狮子) in several places.

In the first sentence, Shih Tzu (UK: /ˌʃiːˈtsuː/, US: /ˈʃiːˌtsuː/) is clearly Chinese pronunciation for 狮子, but then it says Chinese: 西施犬; pinyin: Xī Shī quǎn literally "Hsi Shih dog".

In the "Etymology" part, it says The name comes from the Chinese language word for "lion". "Shih Tzu" is the Wade-Giles romanization of the Chinese characters 獅子 "lion". Then it says In contemporary mandarin, the Shih Tzu is generally known as the "Xi Shi dog"; Xi Shi was regarded as one of the most beautiful women of ancient China.

I'm not an expert on dogs and this is very confusing. Are they suggesting that the two breeds are actually the same? Or this breed is a misnomer? Or is it that some editor who did not know Chinese well added the wrong information at some time? Betty (talk) 13:09, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

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