Talk:Shinai

==This section is discussion copied from Talk:Shinai, Weapon==

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Anyone have good discussion, i would prefer this to move away from "used in pro wrestling" to its kendo roots, and perhaps another article on the other type of shinai (leather coverd, dont remeber the kanji off hand" I'm planning on doing more research and updating this piece, i hope there are others out there who will do the same

Mattpalmer84 03:05, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

A minor correction; While there are exceptions, in the most common form of nito, the shorter shinai (shoto) is held in the right hand, and the longer shinai (daito) is held in the left hand, and is slightly shorter than the usual length (36" rather than 39", if my memory is correct).

Also, If you can find anything about the older forms of shinai and the koryu that used them, it would be interesting to read. You might want to start by looking up Yagyu Shinkage ryu, which used (and still uses) an older form of shinai.

Thanks, and good luck! -Rob —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.151.220.156 (talk) 15:50, 5 September 2007 (UTC) dr —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.243.246.96 (talk) 02:08, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Requested move
This article, previously located at Shinai, was unilaterally moved here for the purported reason that "Multiple candidacy for this word is found". However, rather than create a disambig page at Shinai, Shinai redirects to Shinai, Weapon, which, absurdly enough, was turned into a disambiguation page listing only two things, Shinai Weapon (whose name violates capitalization rules, besides not being a proper name of the weapon) and Shinai village. Also, it appears that the editor failed to move Talk:Shinai along with the article. Needless to say, moving Shinai to Shinai Weapon, and then redirecting Shinai to Shinai, Weapon, which is really a disambiguation page to disambiguate only two things, one of which is a weapon and the other an incredibly obscure village in India whose most notable feature appears to be "has good amount Telephone penetration", is very very bad. I'd love to fix this myself but an admin is needed. Thank you. Bradford44 22:32, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Summary of request:
 * Shinai Weapon → Shinai
 * Shinai, Weapon → deleted


 * Support the proposal above including Shinai village → Shinai (village) or support Shinai Weapon → Shinai (weapon) and Shinai village → Shinai (village) with Shinai as a dab page, whichever is preferred by others. —  AjaxSmack   18:47, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, part of the point is that with only two things to disambiguate, no stand-alone dab page is necessary, it should be sufficient to have otheruses4 or similar template at the top. See MOS:DAB. Bradford44 23:12, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Update An editor moved Shinai Weapon to Shinai (weapon). I have updated the listing at WP:RM to reflect this. The following problems must still be addressed: Summary:
 * 1) Shinai is currently an unnecessary dab page. According to MOS:DAB, dab pages should not be created to list just two articles, a template such as otheruses4 should be used instead. Therefore, Shinai should be deleted to make room to move Shinai (weapon) back there.
 * 2) Shinai (weapon) is an unnecessary disambiguation. It should be moved to Shinai
 * 3) Talk:Shinai is currently a redirect to Talk:Shinai, Weapon.
 * 4) Talk:Shinai, Weapon contains the content of the original talk page for the article about the "shinai" practice weapon (whose article is currently located at Shinai (weapon). Therefore, Talk:Shinai, Weapon needs to be moved to Talk:Shinai once the articles have been moved.
 * Shinai (weapon) → Shinai (causing deletion of unnecessary dab page currently located at Shinai)
 * Talk:Shinai, Weapon → Talk:Shinai
 * Shinai, Weapon → redirect to Shinai or delete

Thank you, Bradford44 12:36, 8 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Following Bradfords proposal, how is it proposed that the village is differentiated from the weapon. Kendo66. (Kendo 66 13:00, 8 October 2007 (UTC) sig did'nt work for me, maybe too late at night !)
 * The article about the village is titled Shinai village. Which, incidentally, is probably wrong, as most articles about cities, towns, etc..., are properly titled "name, name", like Orlando, Florida, or San Francisco, California. Although Shinai village's correct name is properly controlled by whatever the conventions are at the India WikiProject.  Either way, Shinai village is obscure at best, the "shinai" (practice weapon used in kendo) is by far the primary usage. Coming back to Kendo 66's original question, the village has a different title already, that's how it is differentiated. Bradford44 13:37, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * The concensus was Accept. And I put in a hatlink pointing to the Indian village. Anthony Appleyard 22:29, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

category "Corporal punishments"
Can someone explain why this article is in the category "Corporal punishments"? 84.155.251.203 09:23, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Origin of the name
Does anyone know why it's pronunced shinai? Looking at the kanji, it doesn't seem to make sense. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.225.30.90 (talk) 13:41, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Nomenclature diagram
The diagram that illustrates the nomenclature of the various parts of the shinai depicts the weapon with its shipping ties still in place; in actual use, they would be gone. The diagram could be improved by editing it to remove the shipping ties. Susan Davis (talk) 15:34, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Weight of shinai equals katana?
As per the article: "The shinai is useful as a practice sword to simulate the weight and feel of a katana or bokken without injuring the user or the target." Average weight of a katana is commonly given as something around or slightly above 1.0 kg. Shinai weigh around 0.5kg. I propose to delete "the weight and" from the above sentence.KabutoFroggy (talk) 12:27, 22 March 2021 (UTC)


 * I agree with that. I had used a bokken and a shinai before, a bokken is much heavier than a shinai. I weighed my bokken, which is 0.9 kilograms, and the shinai I borrowed doesn't reach 0.5 kilograms weight. 36.233.183.51 (talk) 03:04, 16 October 2022 (UTC)