Talk:Shine, Jesus, Shine

lowest point of hymnody
The song Shine Jesus Shine is also considered by many Anglo-Catholic Ministers and people to be 'the lowest ebb of hymnody' . If this POV statement cannot be sourced it should be deleted. I have extensive experience of the contemporary worship movement and, whilst this song has received criticism (mostly due to its historic popularity), I have never heard it described in these terms. Whilst the quality of any song involves a degree of subjectivity, I believe that any expert in this field would say that there are numerous works that are of far lower quality. I would add that this statement was added by an unregistered user and so I can't easily contact them. If it's not made verifiable within a few days, it's going. Sidefall 23:07, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

I have now deleted this statement. Sidefall 12:41, 27 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for deleting the "lowest ebb of hymnody" comment due to lack of attribution. In fact, I googled the phrase and there was no source for this.  I know Google isn't perfect, but the lack of any search result indicates the phrase was made by someone probably with a vendetta against the Lord.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.193.207.246 (talk) 05:41, 19 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Ooooo, I don't think so (the language is far too 'high-brow' for that :o) ).
 * I suspect it was more likely written by someone mourning the passing of hymns as the primary form of contemporary worship -- ignoring the fact that in most modern worship settings this song would be considered very 'old hat' now. (Saint Kendrick has made way for Saint Redman now... :op )
 * EdJogg (talk) 10:02, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

"However" at start of sentence
What's the problem, Walter, with obviating "However" as the headword in a sentence? I sense you're guarding the article (that song is not my favorite either), but some editors just don't want to see "However" at the start of a sentence even when you and I consider it okay. Thus I changed it to "Nonetheless," and you reverted the change. Why? If either word is correct in that instance but one resolves all objections, why the reversion? I just want to learn. I'm not fond of edit wars. Rammer (talk) 22:00, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
 * The problem is that it places one sentence in contrast with the other. WP:NPOV implies that we should simply supply the facts and not words like that. It's clear that the one is a survey of laity while the other is from a professional. In other words, the masses love it while the experts don't. I would just leave the sentences alone. Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:39, 9 June 2014 (UTC)