Talk:Shinji Ono

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Ono is not the only player to have won Asian Youth Player and Asian Player of the Year Awards. Mehdi Madavikia did the same.

Ono Urawa fan as a youth?
this is highly doubtful since Urawa Red Diamonds came into existence in 1995. and Ono Joined Urawa at 17, which was 1996. If you're refering to Mitsubishi Heavy Industries Employees' Social Soccer club, then please re-state.


 * The whole paragraph is full of inaccuracies.
 * He started like most other Japanese footballers at the college level, where he immediately stood out. As soon as he reached the legal playing age of 17 he was offered a professional contract by many professional Japanese clubs. Ono chose his childhood favorite team, the Urawa Red Diamonds.
 * Most professional Japanese soccer players don't start at the college level - in fact, they don't attend college and they generally start out at junior high or younger. There is no "legal playing age" - Takayuki Morimoto made his debut with Tokyo Verdy at age 16. Ono joined Urawa after graduating from high school. And as you say, there's nothing to suggest that either Mitsubishi or Urawa was his childhood team. I suggest deleting the paragraph altogether. Ytny 15:35, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

MORE RIDICULOUS ERRORS:
 * Ono was born and raised in Shizuoka prefecture. That is nowhere near Urawa. Furthermore, he has stated in an interview years ago (when he was at Feyenoord) that his idol in his youth was Koln (Germany) player Yasuhiko Okudera, and that the clubs he admired were therefore mainly German clubs***

Incidentally, you have numerous GLARING errors in the statistics table. I wont mention all of them because you ought to do the research on your own and not steal data from other sites such as my own (The Rising Sun News, which is plagiarized repeatedly in Wikipedia pages dealing with the J.League, yet is given NO ATTRIBUTION WHATSOEVER. I will, however, point you to last year's J.league stats which show that Ono played 26 league games and scored 6 goals (whereas you list him as 20 matches, 5 goals!!!!!) as proof that your data is erroneous. http://www.j-league.or.jp/data/view.php?c=shimizu&t=p_record&g=j1_1&y=2011

This is not the first time that Wikipedia has been responsible for embarassing a Japanese player due to horribly inaccurate information. Several years ago, when Takashi Hirano moved to Vancouver to play for the Whitecaps, several newspapers reported - on the basis of a Wikipedia article - that his nickname was "Lefty Monster" (a nickname that makes no sense whatsoever since he is right-footed and just 178cm tall). Several fans actually made banners with the nickname on it, until I wrote to the club and informed them that Wikipedia had used the nickname of one of Hirano's former teammates at Nagoya (Takafumi Ogura) incorrectly.

Clearly you need to do a better job of writing your articles and verifying your data. Maybe instead of plagiarizing my website, but trying to disguise the fact by only using small snippets, it would be more productive to use the Rising Sun News as a source, and give it the proper credit and recognition. Then you might not create so many international incidents of embarrassment and confusion like the current one. 61.117.150.6 (talk) 10:58, 4 October 2012 (UTC)Ken Matsushima; The Rising Sun News

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Time to find a more qualified writer/editor? Shinji deserves better!
Apologies if this is not the "most appropriate" way of informing Wikipedia that their articles are laughable in the sheer number and nature of the errors, but I cant think of any other place to post the comment.

I have just finished correcting the two most egregious errors in your article (sic) about Shinji Ono. There are several other things I noted which seem highly dubious but I dont have time to check a reliable source and make the corrections.

Over the past week, numerous newspapers in Australia have published articles in which they have reported (using Wikipedia as their source) that Shinji Ono's nickname is "Tensai", which means "genius". The way the sentence was written originally, it implied that it would be appropriate for someone to call him by this name, to his face, as in: "hey Tensai, welcome to Australia!"

This is laughable! Although the word "tensai" has often been used as an adjective to describe Ono, it would never be used as a nickname - not for Ono or anyone else for that matter. For one thing, a Japanese football player like Ono would be embarrassed to be called by a word that lavishes praise on him. Excessive praise is viewed as poor taste. More importantly, though, "tensai" is an adjective, not a noun. A proper translation of the word into English would be "gifted" or "naturally talented", as opposed to "genius", which is a noun. IF someone DID decide to use a nickname for Ono that was based on that concept, they would use a word like "tensaibito" "tensaimono" or "tatsujin" (all nouns).

'''By the way, you inserted the "citation needed" tag to accompany my edit which tried to provide context for use of the word "tensai" vis-a-vis Shinji Ono. Logically, it is not possible to provide a citation to prove a negative. Would it be possible to cite an article to "prove" that nobody ever gave Mitt Romney the nickname "Little Miss Sunshine"? Of course not. The burden of proof is on the person who claimed that it WAS a nickname. Though many people have called Ono "tensai" as an adjective, the same could be said for Japanese commentators speaking about Lionel Messi, Wayne Rooney, Zico or Maradona. All have been described as "tensai" at one time or another, but in none of those cases could it be confused with a nickname. '''

While correcting this error, I noted that your article also claimed that Ono was "the youngest player on the Japan NT" at the World Cup in France 1998. This is not only inaccurate, but even the source listed to support the claim did not say he was "the youngest player on the Japan NT". Ono was the youngest to actually APPEAR on the field of play, but Daisuke Ichikawa, who also was named to the Japan national team for World Cup France1998, is almost ten months younger than Ono. Anyone who has even the faintest bit of historical knowledge about the Japan NT is aware of this fact.

Your table giving Ono's career statistics is also riddled with errors. Indeed, I am almost afraid to start looking at your articles for other Japanese players because based on your past history on the subject, I am sure that Ill find glaring mistakes in other entries as well. This is not the first time that Wikipedia has been guilty of providing erroneous information that ended up embarrassing the player whose bio you are presuming to write (as I mentioned above). What boggles the mind is that the Japanese version of Wikipedia contains none of the errors I identified in the English version. Even the statistical tables which have errors in the English version, have correct data in the Japanese version.

Dont you even bother to cross-check between languages???? 61.117.150.6 (talk) 10:58, 4 October 2012 (UTC)Ken Matsushima; The Rising Sun News


 * Why dont you stop complaining and edit the article yourself. Portillo (talk) 01:33, 7 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Obvious answer - because I run my own site, which has ACCURATE data, and which people should visit instead of Wikipedia if they want accurate information.

I have no reason to help Wikipedia after they have repeatedly refused to list my website as a source even in cases where I can PROVE CONCLUSIVELY that they must have taken their info from my site. When Wiki stops plagiarizing my site, and starts listing it as a source for their J.League articles, THEN I might consider helping out. Until that happens, why should I assist a bunch of information thieves and copyright scofflaws?

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