Talk:Ship of State

Origins
The article claims that ‘The origins of the metaphor can be traced back to the lyric poet Alcaeus’, but surely this metaphor is much older than that; as far back as the Egyptian story of the Eloquent Peasant, lines 298–299, one finds the same metaphor of the state as a ship: ‘You are the rudder of the entire land; the land sails as you command.’ —Vorziblix (talk) 16:45, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Move from article because it’s not relevant to philosophy
Beyond the political metaphor, in the 20th century, "Ship of State" became a term applied to ocean liners which were built to be floating symbols of a state's artistic and technological advancement; normally flagships of the country's most successful passenger shipping line, and the construction of which was often subsidised by the state government. Examples of liners considered Ships of State are the RMS Queen Mary (United Kingdom), SS Normandie (France), SS Rex (Italy), SS France (France), RMS Queen Mary 2 (United Kingdom), and SS United States (United States). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.159.166.27 (talk) 23:12, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Actual ocean liner


 * Hollywood scriptors using code language

Fleet of states Death Ship (predestined to next world) Ghost Ship (unexpected arrival from next world) Space Ship (air/space/void unimaginable world exploration) event horizon (t.o.e.=theory of everything=machine implementation= — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:4DD4:F335:0:F567:C21F:C2A7:878F (talk) 23:44, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Thomas Carlyle?
I disagree with the inclusion of the Thomas Carlyle quotation in this article. David notMD (talk) 01:42, 2 May 2021 (UTC)