Talk:Shirley Heights (horse)

Son and sire
While many Epsom Derby winners have themselves been the son of a previous Epsom Derby winners, Shirley Heights is, as of October 2008, the only Epsom Derby winner to have been both the son of a previous winner of the race (Mill Reef) and the sire himself of a subsequent winner (Slip Anchor) - I've reverted the edit of October 21st 2008 to the previous version and made the emphasis a little more on the word "both".--Bcp67 (talk) 19:30, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

There are four horses to lay claim to being both the son of a Derby winner and the sire of one. They are:


 * 1880 Derby winner Bend Or is the son of 1873 winner Doncaster and sire of 1886 winner Ormonde.
 * 1920 Derby winner Spion Kop is the son of 1906 winner Spearmint and sire of 1928 winner Falstead.
 * 1933 Derby winner Hyperion is the son of 1918 winner Gainsborough and sire of 1941 winner Owen Tudor.

As such, I have changed the article back to read "Shirley Heights is the last...". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Outofgum (talk • contribs) 15:11, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Even if you argue that Gainsborough and Owen Tudor didn't win Epsom Derbys, SH is still not unique, just unusual.  Tigerboy1966  20:04, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes - didn't know what I was on about all those years ago! And 2013 might see another addition to the list. --Bcp67 (talk) 20:15, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hope so, New Approach was one of the articles that really got me in to editing.  Tigerboy1966  21:22, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Took a few more years, but New Approach finally made it! --Bcp67 (talk) 07:08, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

Not primary over the place in Antigua
The horse is named after the place, not vice versa. Provisionally moving to (horse) to reduce WP:ASTONISH and misdirection, but leaving redirect in place as so many incoming links. In ictu oculi (talk) 00:04, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Tone
Recent edits were too OMG and promotional in tone, not encyclopedic. Also, inadequately sourced. I reverted to the status quo ante per WP:TNT. I know this is a bit abrupt, but WP:BRD applies here. Some of the added material may be able to be reincorporated into the article, but carefully, without hagiography, and with attention to proper form. Montanabw (talk) 02:20, 18 March 2020 (UTC)