Talk:Shirley Manson/Archive 1

...about that last line about her sister, i heard in an interview with Shirley Manson that she was the middle child of three daughters, meaning she would have two sisters. Could someone verify? thanks. -marcus


 * This is confirmed in the linked Independent interview.

213.132.172.8 15:06, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Gay Icon Project
In my effort to merge the now-deleted list from the article Gay icon to the Gay icons category, I have added this page to the category. I engaged in this effort as a "human script", adding everyone from the list to the category, bypassing the fact-checking stage. That is what I am relying on you to do. Please check the article Gay icon and make a judgment as to whether this person or group fits the category. By distributing this task from the regular editors of one article to the regular editors of several articles, I believe that the task of fact-checking this information can be expedited. Thank you very much. Philwelch 21:40, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)


 * I'm really not sure. I don't personally think so, but that's just my opinion. -marcus

Grunge
Garbage a GRUNGE band???????? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.212.185.161 (talk) 21:52, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

95.25.69.49 (talk) 14:41, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Garbage is undefinable band. You can call it grunge if you want.You can not call if you don't. But you can't stop...

Having Nirvana's producer Butch Vig in the band, does not make them grunge! Alternative pop/rock.

I went ahead and removed it. The Garbage page doesn't list grunge as one of their genres, so it makes no sense to have it here. Goodbye Mr. Mackenzie and Angelfish certainly weren't grunge either. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.205.2.82 (talk) 19:17, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

bullying
I keep putting that she was often beat up in school, and it keeps getting deleted. She WAS bullied, so that's right, but she got beat up. A LOT. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.141.132.252 (talk) 04:08, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Statements like that usually require a citation, re WP:V. - JeffJonez (talk) 04:15, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Didn't everyone at school? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.220.65.177 (talk) 12:04, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Marilyn Manson
Does Shirley Manson bear any relation to the American musician Marilyn Manson? I think a quick clarifying note about whether they are related or just co-incidently have the same surname be placed in the article.
 * There's no relation and making a note of it is just superfluous. dc 04:14, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

PS. The american musician, Marilyn Manson's REAL NAME is Brian Warner. Marilyn Manson was a name for the band, which was originally called 'Marilyn Manson and the Spooky Kids. The name, mm, just a twist between Marilyn Monroe and Charles Manson, as a metaphor-type thing. Meaning Marilyn Monroe had some bad in her and Charles Manson had some good in him.

So, no, I don't believe the two are related.
 * One, sign your bloody posts. Two, the article already states that they are not related.  Three, I've got no idea why you are posting Marilyn Manson trivia here.  This belongs on the Marilyn Manson talk page, or perhaps in that article. Canonblack 02:46, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Full name
My research has her name spelt Shirley Anne Manson, , , not as shown in the main article. Can someone verify either way ?

Derek R Bullamore 19:23, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Trivia
The last item in the trivia section about "pee and shit and menstrual blood" is salacious, but not particularly meaningful outside of her '10 Commandments'. I urge that either that last item be removed, or preferably, the 10 Commandments be included as it adds a new and interesting dimension to her personality. --UnicornTapestry (talk) 05:25, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Here's a page of what I'm talking about:

10 Commandments

Thanks! --UnicornTapestry (talk) 05:25, 20 November 2007 (UTC)


 * The article seems to read like she's Pollyanna, but...- (User) WolfKeeper (Talk) 08:59, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Acting Career
It is rumoured that Shirley Manson has earned a regular role on Fox's Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles

On "Sarah Connor," produced by Warner Bros. TV, Scottish musician Manson will play Catherine Weaver, the CEO of a cutting-edge high-tech company. |As Confirmed Here

Are There Any Other Confirmations?

User:Dsm14 21:09, 30 May 2008 (UTC)


 * (moved to bottom) Haven't seen any other note of this yet. Interesting, though. Kresock (talk) 04:18, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Piggy-backing on this - the first episode of Terminator's second season clearly features the audio of Manson performing "Samson and Delilah." I can't find any articles I can reference (and I don't want to run afoul of original research taboos), but I went ahead and added it until a source presents itself. AdamKB (talk) 05:23, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Found and added the reference. AdamKB (talk) 14:44, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Skullan (talk) 17:50, 14 September 2008 (UTC)Moved the blurb about her acting into its section. She will and does (as see by people on TV) have a recurring role on Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles and it is a seperate concept than her music, plus it is worthy of more than just a mention in her 'Solo' section.

Maurice the Minotaur
The article seems to suggest (in Life and Career) that Maurice the Minotaur was put on by either the City of Edinburgh Music School or the Waverley Singers. In fact it was put on by the, now defunct, Edinburgh Youth Theatre in Baden Powell House, Fishers Close, Edinburgh. It was directed by David Clayton and Bruce Henderson with words and music by Iain Johnston and Gavin Pagan. Shirley also won plaudits for other Edinburgh Youth Theatre shows including "The Gollywog" and "The Scatterbrained Scarecrow of Oz". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.193.211.242 (talk) 15:16, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

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I Think its better with the landscape off --78.149.76.40 (talk) 23:41, 4 October 2008 (UTC)


 * FYI: This is most likely a sock of indef banned editors Nimbley6 and Bennett556.
 * Cheers, This flag once was red   00:27, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Geoff Barrow
Well, I'm pretty sure she was not known to have dated him. She was married at the time. Patrick Riverside (talk) 10:04, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Manson's solo album
On the Garbage page, I've removed the lines "Manson is reluctant to talk about her album, preferring to wait until it is released in early 2008. Manson was scheduled to finish recording the album in September 2007." Clearly, this information is out of date: if anyone has any references about a new release date (or any pertinent information at all about the album), the article would benefit from this information being added Dom Kaos (talk) 15:25, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Re:solo album
Manson presented the material to Geffen in 2008, who rejected it. She is continuing to record outwith filming commitments re: the articles and interviews sourced on the Shirley Manson page. She has also stated this in person on her own Facebook page, the Carson Daly show, Chelsae Lateley and Spike Feresten. Breakinguptheguy (talk) 01:44, 24 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Excellent - thanks for adding that new information :-)  Dom Kaos (talk) 12:39, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Religion
Can I just air my issue with this section - I believe it was removed from the page a long time ago, although I don't recall by whom or why, and I don't know who added it back later, but anyway -

''Manson is an Atheist. Although she was raised Presbytarian, Manson renounced the religion at age 12. During a 1998 interview with Rolling Stone Magazine, when asked if she believed in God, she replied "No, not at all."''

I'm uncomfortable with the inclusion of this statement. I'm not denying that the article states these facts, however I do question wether it is appropriate to potentially libel Manson as an athiest with a statement sourced from an interview in a music magazine which was published in late 1998. There has been, to date, eleven years in which Manson may have re-evaluated her faith or lack thereof. I think if there isn't a relevant statement from Manson about her faith recorded in recent times then this statement should be removed as the current accuracy of the statement would be in dispute and libellious.

Also, because the statement contains numerous spelling and grammatical errors and a lack of italicisation of Rolling Stone [magazine] makes me suspect that this statement was added by User:Nimbley6, a blocked member's sockpuppet username that I have encountered over the last year.Breakinguptheguy (talk) 20:09, 30 April 2010 (UTC) *


 * Quite likely - my experience of Nimbley6 is that they wouldn't understand the difference between "not believing in God" (agnostic) and "believing that God does not exist" (atheist). Regardless, if the statement isn't supported by the cite then the statement should be removed or rewritten. I'll remove it now; the editor who originally re-added it might like to rewrite it, or I'll take a look later if I get a chance. Cheers, TFOWRThis flag once was red 12:22, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * (Done). TFOWRThis flag once was red 12:25, 3 May 2010 (UTC)


 * I would like to add something to the above statement. I could not find the above interview in either of the September 1998 issues of Rolling Stone.  I also could not find this interview in ANY of the back issues of Rolling Stone.

The article is reproduced here: http://garbage.net/garbage/articles/@rolling98.htm I still stand by my past stance on the inclusion of the above "facts". Breakinguptheguy (talk) 04:51, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Model
Why does it state "model" next to Occupations under the Background Info? doing a shoot once early in the career does not make anyone a model, something Manson unquestionably isn't. Many, many people have done that, across vary professions. Cate Blanchett, an actress, for example, has done an inordinate amount of shoots, attended many fashion events, signed deals with fashion designers, as is not ever labeled or considered a model, rightfully so. A singer-songwriter/musician certainly shouldn't.

Is there any objection to this? I believe it should be removed. Makes no sense. Again, doing a shoot just means you did a shoot or modeled (verb) once for whatever, not that you are professionally a model. Nonsense. --Lapadite77 (talk) 02:07, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I shall remove it if no one formally objects.--Lapadite77 (talk) 06:20, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

Influence/Legacy section
I echo what I wrote in Garbage's Talk page: "There should be one created. Both Garbage and Shirley Manson have influenced a myriad of artists and pop music/culture (musically, image-wise, attitude, etc), during their time and today. Many artists have mentioned their influence (along with Shirley Manson's), especially current artists. I feel this section should be created, with citations from particular artists themselves and publications that have written about this". Artists (past and current) have also expressed their admiration of Shirley Manson and/or Garbage without necessarily claiming influence. --Lapadite77 (talk) 06:24, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
 * See the last part of Influences sub-section of Shirley Manson's wiki page. There are some artists mentioned (past and current) that have expressed their admiration of Shirley Manson and/or Garbage. Deepblue1 (talk) 10:35, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Oh, I hadn't noticed that part for some reason, thanks. Lady Gaga has also talked about her being an influence (in an interview with Debbie Harry in fact), and off the top of my head Manson has also been credited with influencing other artists like Pink, Kesha (who herself has mentioned her, and took a picture with Manson), Amy Lee (who has also mentioned her being an "idol"), Florence Welch, Hayley Williams, Marina and the Diamonds. Lzzy Hale of the band Halestorm has talked about Manson, and Mary J Blige too I remember noting her admiration for Manson, and her style influencing her. Madonna I also remember saying she loves Shirley/the band, as well as Jack White from the White Stripes, a friend of Manson and was a collaborator on her unreleased solo record (along with Billy Corgan from The Smashing Pumpkins). Chrissie Hynde of The Pretenders has also expressed her admiration of Shirley and her music.
 * Manson also personally gave her support to the members of the band Kittie early in their career.
 * There have been articles written about Manson's style/fashion impact as well. One I easily found: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/blogs/thread-count/the-darkling-manifesto-shirley-mansons-individualist-style-legacy-20120731
 * Stylist Andrea Lieberman on Shirley being a muse: "I met Shirley Manson through [video director] Sophie Muller, who also worked with Gwen. Then, I ended up styling a Garbage video [for "Tell Me Where It Hurts"], and Shirley became the muse for my first collection in 2009. She represents my ideal woman: strong, smart, ridiculously cool." - http://www.rollingstone.com/music/blogs/thread-count/gwen-stefanis-former-stylist-andrea-liebermann-launches-jewelry-line-20111121 . Manson inspired her clothing line: http://www.elle.com/fashion/spotlight/celebrity-stylist-andrea-lieberman-316741 --Lapadite77 (talk) 13:50, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Marissa Paternoster (Screaming Females) is a friend of Manson's and Screaming Females is a band Manson also personally supports. They've recorded and performed together (Manson's support shown here): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKQTHwkT9JU --Lapadite77 (talk) 23:52, 14 May 2014 (UTC)