Talk:Shit/Archive 1

TALK SHIT SI REYGEN MANGUBS!! -C'MON BEBE GIRL, HANGBANGIS, AVENGERS.

(Extending a warm welcome to all users who have come here to Talk:Shit) &mdash; F REAK OF N URxTURE  ( TALK )  09:52, Apr 30, 2005 (UTC)

Hey!
 He shit all over my project This does NOT mean to humiliate! um ur an idiot, dont talk. 0wn3d in th3 f@c3

page needs editing regarding gender specific insults (Cunt) - It states that they are frequently applied moreoften to men than women in England and Australia; this is in fact untrue. -Oso

Shite
The article says: "(or sometimes shite [to rhyme with bite] in Scotland, Ireland, Northern England and Lincolnshire) " about pronunciation. In my experience this pronunciation is used to soften the word and it is used everywhere in England, not just "Northern England and Lincolnshire".

Past tense
In parts of Ireland "shat" is sometimes used as a past tense version of the verb

Fecal matters
Does anyone else think that this article could be more focussed on the etymology of the word, as opposed to the human waste aspect? Removing the fecal matter and putting a disambig-type message at the top which leads to human feces might be advantageous to the polishing of shit. --DarrenBaker 04:38, 6 January 2006 (UTC)


 * As mentioned below, the word 'shit' is overused in this article. Once you have defined the word as a slang term for something else, and the origins and usage of the word have been explained, the article is over. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.244.162.28 (talk • contribs)


 * So, it sounds like you agree? --DarrenBaker 04:30, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, focus more on etymology and the alternate uses of the word. Also, is it really slang if it's been around for about 1000 years? Umma Kynes 02:20, 17 September 2006 (UTC) naw dont u just think the word shit is cool its what makes the article awesome!

Gerunitive?
Did DiscoMania pwn j00? What the heck is a gerunitive? I've changed it to Gerundive.
 * It's a grammatical form found in a few Pacific Island languages. An example is skiwu in xmnei wowls moicop skiwu — meaning unknown. Rintrah 17:49, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

I've cut the statement that "the shit" is not normally used to refer to people; it quite often is. Markalexander100 01:33, 23 Feb 2004 (UTC)

It's pathetic how a word which genuinly means human faeces has tuned into a vulgar word! Same for other words such as FUCL

True or false??
True or false: this article deserves to be on Category:Curse words together with other curse words. 66.245.23.108 01:00, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I've added that "shit" is only considered vulgar in Western cultures: I have observed that the word is also used by educators in Eastern regions.


 * I thought that words like "shit" were considered vulgar in most cultures. Like french "Merde", german "Scheisse" and japanese "Kusô".


 * But then, educators need to address the subject, and they need to use a word the audience understands. Hygiene is an important issue for health.


 * As far as I know, shit was an acronym used to describe where to store manure in the old shipping days. Stored below deck it was said to become explosive on long voyages.
 * S.H.I.T. Ship high in transit.
 * See fake etymology. mikka (t) 23:05, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

--C.Allen 14:10, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I however had been told that shit was an acronymn for `Shipping and Handling In Transit`

Etymology
According to www.etymonline.com, shit and scatology are from different IE roots... Also, one could add info about kaka/kakka, which seems to be the main IE root, shared among at least old latin and germanic. (Cf. Cack - Caca.) http://www.bartleby.com/61/roots/IE200.html
 * Added this info: "The most likely common word for shit in Proto-Indo-European would however probably be *kakka, (Cf. Latin Caca, Anglo-Saxon Cac, German Kacke, Kacken(Pooh, to pooh), OIr Cac(Dung), Greek Kakos(Bad) )." Maybe it gets too long with all the examples. Any etymologists, feel free to correct my mistakes.

==

The article says "it is highly improbable that any native English speaker of any age or social position can truthfully claim never to have used the word". Is there actually any evidence for this rather sweeping assertion? This may be true of under-50s (even there, I am using my own assumptions rather than hard evidence) and maybe it is true of everyone in the USA. But do you really believe that all 70-year-old English women have used the word?


 * I believe this comes under the heading of 'quibbling.' Yes, I asked every single, solitary native English speaker, and I have my reams of data right here.

Old people curse like sailors, just not around the grandkids. Auto movil 00:25, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Uh, Mormons?

Shiitake or shitake?

 * Several foreign loan words in English are carefully spelled so as to avoid the sequential grouping of the letters, s, h, i, and t. The word shiitake carries a striking (and artificial) double-i

Is it really "striking and artificial"? It may be striking for native English speakers to have a double-i in a word, but it doesn't look artificial at all. The Japanese article for "shiitake" is ja:&, which is romanized as shi-i-ta-ke. Plus, the article ja:& ("shitake") doesn't exist at all, not even as a redirect. Sabbut 08:06, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)


 * "Shiitake" is a perfectly normal transliteration; it just looks funny in English. It's a four-syllable word, exactly as you have it. I believe "sh&#299;take" (that's an "i" with a macron) would also be correct, but is less common. "Shit" has little to do with it, though: this is the same pattern we see in the transliteration "shoujo" (rather than "sh&#333;jo") for instance. (FWIW, Wikipedia has tended to prefer the transliteration with the macron for Japanese long vowels, because it's closer to the pronunciation.) --FOo 19:52, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Concision and reversions
Ok so why are you people talking about shit harty har har

On my talk page rather than here, Auto movil and I have got into something of an argument over this article. It started with my reversion of a set of his edits. That reversion was wrong, and I've apologized for it. The argument has been polite; I'm in no mood for a revert war and I don't suppose that he/she is either. But since the argument has been over this one article, I thought it might be better followed up here. Again, if you want to see just what it is that I'm replying to, take a look at my talk page -- you'll find it under the delightful heading "re: 'Shit'". Right, and now that that preamble is out of the way:

True, a gerundive is not the same as an adjective. "Gerundive" is rarely used to describe any part of speech of English. I wouldn't be surprised if some book somewhere uses it in the way that you do, but as far as I know the gerundive of the Latin verb meaning to "wash" is closer to English "washable" than to "washing". So I quite consciously changed "gerundive" to "adjective", not because the former seemed an unnecessarily fancy word but because the latter seemed more correct.

Let's look at a single paragraph. the following is from my latest version:


 * In the word's literal sense, it has a rather small range of common usages -- other terms generally substitute. In American English, an unspecified or collective occurrence of feces is generally shit or some shit, a single deposit of feces is sometimes a shit or a piece of shit (although turd is, among many others, also commonly used as a vulgarism) and to defecate is to shit or to take a shit. While it is common to speak of shit as existing in a pile, a load, a hunk and other quantities and configurations, such expressions are mostly figurative. When actual defecation and excreta are spoken of in English, it is usually through equivalent terms (poop, turd, doody, etc.), creative euphemism (pinching a loaf, laying some cable, seeing Mr. Brown off to the coast, dropping the kids off at the pool, brewing up a pot of s.h.i. tea, releasing the prisoner, disposing of the junk in the trunk, launching a submarine) or with a more formal term.

I wasn't and amn't happy with that. For one thing, the list of creative euphemisms is unnecessary: two are enough, and I think some are pretty rare. But obviously somebody had fun writing them, and I didn't have the heart to remove them.

You've made some improvements to this paragraph. (Here's the diff.) However, you've also made some reversions that strike me as bizarre. Turd is again " the accepted medical term" (my emphasis), which is just untrue. (Offhand I'm not even certain that it's an accepted medical term, but I'm in no mood for googling or looking in the OED so I'll give that the benefit of the doubt.) Unless you're a low-level student of English as a second language, there's nothing counterintuitive about "taking" a shit, as take is obviously here merely a light verb (take a wash, take a leap). And I don't even know what "a vague and fairly rigid literalism" is supposed to mean, beyond a more formal term.

I was wrong to have reverted your changes a day or so ago. Sorry. You were able to revert them, and did so without any objection from me. I then put in some changes. Some may have been ill-judged, and you're free to revert them too. But I suggest that you are a bit too reluctant to consider the changes made to your own prose. -- Hoary 04:13, 2005 Mar 26 (UTC)

Well, I don't mind your changes at all; it's that I was in the middle of doing my usual run of close-reading, one-phrase-at-a-time edits -- which is admittedly a bad habit -- and some other guy came in and started reverting things and accusing me of being the Pelican Bandit, or whatever that was about. So I had to chase him around the block a few times, and then everything started going all funny, with more reverts happening while I had the page in edits, etc.

Honestly, we're spending a lot of time and thought over an article on shit. I'm sure happy to let up a bit if you are. Auto movil 04:28, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)


 * Well said! -- Hoary 04:35, 2005 Mar 26 (UTC)

Thank you! And inter alia, this is of course the only place in Wikipedia where it's appropriate to talk:shit.... Auto movil 04:47, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Theres a band called Shite
I know of a band called Shite, which is based in Mi. INTERESTING !!!!

Last words
I noticed this was removed from the article:

"..."Shit!" is often the last word of English speakers who die in sudden or violent circumstances."

Now, I am not complaining or voting one way or another on this deletion. However, as a simple observation, if the accident that fractured my skull and femur, and led to a prolonged period of unconsciousness had produced a slightly different outcome, "shit" would have been my last word on this Earth. I saw the car coming. He never saw me. Always wear a helmet when riding a bicycle. You have been warned. Qaz

Well, I wrote that sentence. What happens is that somebody comes along and says, "Can you PROOOOOVE it!" And then you go looking at transcripts from cockpit voice recorders and anecdotal stuff all over the place, remembering your own near-death moments as well as everyone else's whom you've cared about. And everything's like you thought it was -- but finally you just think, "Well, if someone made you prove that the sun comes up every day, you'd have to produce a tablet of 'every day' since nineteen-zillion BC.

So Mr. 'Ha-Ha I Caught Some POV' can go off and edit his article on an obscure ST:TNG character, and...I guess nobody would notice if someone stuck the line back in the article now, as someone might have. Auto movil 07:04, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

WOT

Interesting but irrelevant statistic
104 occurances of "shit" in the article as of my last check. Romann 05:22, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Shit: 77.
 * Derivatives (shit... ): 27.
 * I bet that's more than any other article on Wikipedia. --Nathan 02:06, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Number of shitheads editing it: ? 16:38, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

What! No Photo??
&mdash; Xiong&#29066; talk* 18:21, 2005 August 7 (UTC)


 * Might I reccomend the Feces and Human feces articles, if you wish to see photos. --Psyk0 11:19, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

I looked both places, even as I posted the comment above. I found the photos uninspring and insufficiently redolent. But that's not the point, is it? Those are turds, not shit. &mdash; Xiong&#29066; talk* 01:50, 2005 August 10 (UTC)

No images of shit, please. Many still find images of shit disgusting, particularly around mealtime. Wikipedia was not designed to cater for scatophiles. Anthony Appleyard 06:21, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

Referring to the current photo: "A typical shit", what are you, a soft serve machine??? Is anyone else with me on this one? Danielx 05:18, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

The 2 images look irrelevant. Delete them?
One is a picture of ordinary litter The other looks like a package of drug. Anthony Appleyard 06:19, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, I removed both of them. Could the pile of junk picture be used in another article? The bag of weed obviously does not belong here. Unfortunately this leaves us without any pictures. Qtac 00:36, September 7, 2005 (UTC)

Hey, what about...
What about doing something for shits and giggles (just for the hell of it, or for pure amusement)?

There's also "flip shit" or "flip a shit", as in "She totally flipped a shit when she saw her ex making out with Lisa at that party." The phrase denotes an explosive, over-the top response to something, similar to "going ballistic." It can also refer to an extremely positive response, although this is a little less common, as in "She flipped shit when she got her acceptance letter." The meaning is identical with or without the "a" but most people have a preference they exclusively use.

Any thoughts?


 * Yes, please include it if you can make it relevant somehow. If not post it in Wiktionary's entry on Shit.

Also, "I'm the shit", "He's the shit", and "That's the shit!" when referring to something good.

And what about "shit creek" (which one may be up) meaning "in great difficulty"? "Shit street" has the more precise meaning "In trouble with someone". Totnesmartin 19:35, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Someone should really add the term "bull shit" as in disbelief...


 * This is an encyclopedia, not a dictionary. Documenting the various uses of "shit" is better left to a dictionary. Rintrah 09:10, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Marijuana
Has anyone thought about adding that shit is an alternative name for marijuana? This useage of the word probably stems from phrases such as "That is good shit". I would do it, but I'm not sure where the best place to slot it in is. Any ideas? --Nathan 02:32, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Well, you could say that, but i've also heard it used to refer to heroin. So it's probably more of just a generic drug term. Volcanictelephone 13:11, 19 December 2005 (EST)
 * I wouldn't say it is simply a drug term, generally someone could try a piece of pizza and say "That's good shit". The Filmaker 00:07, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Any examples of notable usage of "shit" during history?
I have noticed there is no section in the article that talks about the notable times when shit was used. I noticed the Fuck article had examples in politics where "fuck" was used. So why can the shit article have that also?


 * Find some good examples and do it.

examples: "You fuckin shit" "You piece of shit" "Eat shit" "You smell like shit" "You look like shit" "You look liked you just sniffes shit"

Organization of Usage
I think the usage section and it's use as various parts of sentence can be greatly improved on. All the many expressions are just lumped together at the beginning when they can easily be divided into their correct parts. No objections? I will go ahead and work on it. No changes to the descriptions, just organize the points. BananaManCanDance 17:45, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

;-)

Stupid examples
This article is replete with stupid examples, such as 'you're a big steaming pile of shit, nobhead' for a typical vulgar insult. Who the hell uses "nobhead", and what's the point of the example? I know it's a slightly frivolous topic, but you still want to keep it academic and not veer into amateur comedy writing. (This unsigned post was put here by IP address 84.13.152.168 at 13:42, 30 April 2006)

Your obviously living on Planet America, life and language exists outside your country you know. Nobhead is a popular insult in a small insland a few thousand kilometres west of America called Great Britain. Look it up on an atlas JayKeaton 04:23, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

– I don't think that's really the point, JayKeaton. I live in Britain too, but that part of the text is still irrelevant and should probably be removed and, if appropriate, replaced by something informative. 80.175.176.85 18:52, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

False Etymologies?
Maybe it would be worthwhile to mention a 'urban legend etymology'

If my memory serves me correctly, it has something to do with manure (for fertilizer) being trasnported on ships, and for one reason or another it was bad for it to get wet, so labels saying "Store High In Transport" were put on the containers of manure - eventually being abbreviated to 'S.H.I.T.' This seems to be a rather popular 'urban legend etymology' in my community - If anyone else has heard of this maybe it would be a good idea to add this to the article?

shite in Scotland, Northern England and Lincolnshire
Is is really necessary to repeat this phrase every shitty paragraph?Armandtanzarian 09:17, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Um, no! It clutters the article and makes it look like...well, shit. S  oa  P  14:34, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

FCC

 * The section under acceptance concerning radio stations (and the FCC in general) is nothing but opinion. The article says, "radio stations with any significant audience must abide by vague FCC guidelines on obscenity".  This is inaccurate.   The FCC says that "according to the U.S. Supreme Court, to be obscene, material must meet a three-prong test: (1) an average person, applying contemporary community standards, must find that the material, as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest (i.e., material having a tendency to excite lustful thoughts); (2) the material must depict or describe, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct specifically defined by applicable law; and (3) the material, taken as a whole, must lack serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value. The Supreme Court has indicated that this test is designed to cover hard-core pornography."  'Shit' is not obscene under any non-sexual circumstances.  Obscene material can not be broadcast at all on public radio and television.


 * Indecency is a different story. Indecent material must meet the criteria of describing a sexual or extretory function.  Thus, 'Shit' can be broadcast as long as it doesn't meet these circumstances.  The FCC/Supreme Court are not vague.


 * I am thinking about how best to revise this section, but I'll have to think about it a bit more. I've got a lot of shit on my plate right now. Alomas 07:51, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

It's best noted that censorship of music on the radio is still mostly up to the station manager. Any and all stations owned by ClearChannel are going to be absolutely squeeky clean...even editing out some questionable content that would pass on other radio stations. All of the classic rock songs cited as examples are completely edited and censored on the local ClearChannel owned classic rock station...however, the other station will vary it's playback of censored and uncensored songs, it's not an indpendant station, but it's not owned by ClearChannel. DewDude 1341, 03 NOV 06

rm'ed!
I removed this seemingly nonsenseical section. If anyone can make it professional-sounding, insert it back in.
 * In general life however, shit is only accepted in some places. It is being increasingly accepted throughout countries all over the world. For example if someone was to stub their toe, they might slip up and swear. If someone else was to overhear this swear, they often accept it. So basically, saying the word "shit" in public after someone hurts themselves, is often accepted in today's world.

Son of a Peach 16:45, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Etymology incorrect?
False etymology seems to indicate that the article's topic is indeed not an acronym. A quick Google search on "shit etymology" brings up other articles contradicting this section of the article. Since I am afraid of making any changes myself, can someone else review this?

Jeff 09:42, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Spell not Correct
Am I, the mighty Obbop, the only one to see this: " your a shit eater ". I am not an expert in that high-falutin' grammar stuff but, shouldn't that "your" be a "you're"? I beat my breast in agony at the thought of such an obvious error going undetected so long. Love, Obbop


 * Yes, well done. Rintrah 17:02, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Swerwords Wikiproject
How about a Swearword Wikiproject. Will tht be a good idea Nathannoblet 12:18, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Again I, the lovable bubbly effervescent Mighty Obbop, beats my proverbial breast (well, actually closer to my sternum) at the sight of anuddah' misspelled word. Of course, I, the Mighty Obbop, will likely misspell one of the words in this post!!!!! Anyway..... for the love of goodest grammer, I beg of thee, add an "a" inside the misspelled word in the title of this itty bitty section of this page? "Swerwords". Surely someone has an extra "a" they can share to make right the wrong that glaringly shouts out to be remedied. I have no extra "a's" left. The Mighty Obbop thanks thee in advance for your generosity.15:25, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

unblock user
Your user name or IP address has been blocked from editing. You were blocked by Can't sleep, clown will eat me for the following reason (see our blocking policy): repeated vandalism after 15+ blocks - AO Your IP address is 204.193.6.90. could someone please unblock this ip it is a schools ip and multiple people use it thank you

Yeah... I guess many people from schools edit Wikipedia, and they do it at school because they're bored in class. I don't think anybody will be unblocking that IP anytime soon. Slartibartfast1992 23:15, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Holy Shit
Should we add as a trivia this antagonistic association between divine and abject? Raja Lon Flattery 17:50, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

References anyone?
I know this is strange, but I have a certain liking for this article; so much in fact, that it inspired me both to clean the crap from under a few random keys of my keyboard to restore functionality and actually start editing with an account. Shit definitely has the best discussion page and some of the most outrageous material in the article, while providing information that is at least questionably interesting to a scholarly reader. (Compare it, for example with "geology"; I'd much rather discuss whether shit is frequently a person's last word in the case of a sudden, traumatic death, than whether it's fair to say that geology is different from geography in that it doesn't consider the human element.) Nevertheless, I feel that adding references to the article would also add to the general feeling of wellbeing I experience every time I read the article. Lol. I'd like to see a citation for the phrase "dropping a deuce" or see that some stuffy old man has provided the world with a tidbit regarding shit. I don't know... call me crazy, but I think it's sad that such a solid article has so few references. Nappyjon 08:22, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
 * You can also find shit in the toilet. Usually the source is known. And... get this: it is sometimes peer-reviewed. You should not get sad about shit. Let it go to its home with its brethren. Rintrah 17:01, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Hmm, a reference to Roger's Profanisaurus would be a fascinating addition to this notable entry. (signed) Mr Logic.

In other languages
There should be another section for shit in other languages. Rintrah 17:01, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

This article's the shiznit.

Etymology

 * According to Saussure (Cours de linguistique générale) the word shit derives from the french "chaise" (= chair). In the late 17th century a French invention, the "toilet-chair", became popular throughout Europe in aristocratic houses. Soon the term "chaise" was common for many kinds of shit-linked issues. In germany the most popular swear-word "Scheiße" was born, which was shortened by the Anglo-Saxons into "shit" or "shite".

Although I don't know the source and whether Saussure actually claimed this, it's pretty obviously nonsense and completely contradictory with other etymologies. I don't think it's worth including.

This is apparently a nonsense hoax added by an anonymous IP.


 * Can someone remove this nonsense? It's pretty obvious that the word shit did not come from the French word for chair because of the invention of a 17th century toilet, when the fucking word is in Canturbury Tales 300 years earlier. It's a fucking insult to anyone who knows shit from shinola about continental history to suggest that a medieval English word was derived from a modern German word which was derived from a modern French word (?)


 * Someone had a good laugh writing it. I had a good laugh reading it; but I had to agree, it was a load of shit. I deleted it. Rintrah 14:18, 10 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks, cheers...

maybe the whole thing is less hoaxie than you think:

1. the word stool (same in german: stuhl) as a medical term for feces or shit comes undoubtly from the toilet-seat. maybe the century is wrong, but the connection is sure and makes sense. (e.g. http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=stool)

2. according to http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=shit&searchmode=none the noun shit as excrement is read first time in 1585, which makes the idea of a connection chaise-scheisse-shit even less unbelievable

3. according to contemporary etymology not only the german word "scheisse", but also shit, science, conscience, and a lot of other words derive from a indogermanic word "skeid". some sites count even schizophrenia in, i don't know, maybe thats too academic for me. (schizphrenia derives (again) from a german medical term with the usual greek roots.)

4. the development of words is neither a one way road nor a one track thing: the british shysters comes from german "scheisser" even though they allready had the indogermanic shit allready, same could have happened to a "shit" that was there before, but became popular, when the german scheisse had his hype.

5. in ther etymology-book from 1850something the grimm-brothers doubt, that scheisse comes from the indogermanic roots: "etymologische beziehungen zu den verwandten indogerm. sprachen sind unsicher", but they suspect a connection to the french chasser...

a lot of speculation, but i think the chaise-theory is at least as reasonable as the pseudo academic "skeid"-theory.

at last: is this going to be a copy of dusty and hardly checkable knowledge, like: i read it in a book once - it must be right, or shouldn't we give new knowledge at least a bit of a chance to proof itself ? i plead for taking the chapter back in.

cheers, your self 85.178.12.137 16:19, 12 November 2006 (UTC) aka fabian, nov 12th,2006 17:26 CET


 * Perhaps it is less hoaxie than I thought, but the point still remains: it is a hoax. Rintrah 16:35, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Dipshit
Needs to be a mention of the term "dipshit" in the article somewhere and I don't know if I noted the term "shit stirrer"


 * You could mention the person who wrote the article is a dipshit; anyone who does not see a problem with the lack of sources in the article is also a dipshit. Rintrah 11:27, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Wicked Shit
There was a section in here earlier that discussed the occasional need to add an adjective such as wicked to the word shit when actually using the word shit in its literal sense, ie to describe a bowel movement. One example was "I missed the prime-minister's speech because I had to go take a wicked shit." The usage wasn't expressed perfectly. Nevertheless I was sorry to see it get completely removed. It should have been edited. The intention, I believe, was to demonstrate that the word shit is so often used as a euphemism that one needs to add a strong adjective to make clear that the word is in fact being used literally. If the word wicked was removed and the person said "I missed the prime-minister's speech because I had to shit" ambiguity results. It is not clear that the person is commicating that his need to defecate forced him to miss the speech, rather than simply communicating an editorial remark about the value of listening to the prime-minister. 209.53.208.83 17:34, 26 November 2006 David C, November 2006(UTC)


 * Shit used as a euphemism?! Are you shitting me?! There is one problem with that addition: it is original research. Look for sources, and then you can have your love child in the article. :) Rintrah 16:34, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

PoopReport
Why the heck is a site called "talkaboutshit.com" left up, yet a site called "poopreport.com" is instantly removed? That makes no sense at all! Please explain logic, if there is any. Bouncehoper


 * "The intellectual appreciation of poop humour" - not useful to interested readers. A webforum in which shit is discussed, however, is useful. Anyway, "poop" is a very ugly word. Rintrah 02:38, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Bouncehoper
 * facepalm* It IS a webforum where "shit" is discussed. Poop humor just happens to be included in these discussions. "Poop" is not an ugly word; in fact, most would agree that "shit" is more disgusting and offensive. In addition, one's personal animosity to a word should not preclude it from a page that pertains more to it than the "feces" page. Interested readers, amused by such words as "shit," will find plenty to giggle about on Poop Report.


 * I am sorry, but I am slow in the uptake of your point — did you just use skateboarding slang? After a quick look at the forum, I would judge it as a general discussion area for "shit". "Poop" is an ugly word. Try to create euphony in a sentence with this little monster — it is impossible! "Shit" is more profane, but less offensive. "Poop" is more disgusting because it evokes feces more strongly than "shit", for it resembles the sound of defecation more closely. "Poop" is also disgusting because it is a still-born euphemism (like "make whoopie" is to "sex") and one of the less savoury elements of American culture (like cheeseburgers and hotdogs). But the main reason for deletion is it violates established criteria for suitability pertaining to external links (#1, #3, & #13 of Links normally to be avoided). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rintrah (talk • contribs) 01:40, 7 December 2006 (UTC).

Skateboarding slang?? you mean "facepalm"? no, that's actually webspeak. You are correct in your assessment of the website. But the word "poop" is not the main point of the discussion here. The link is. I still don't understand why the link was removed, as your "criteria" appears to be non-existent--meaning, the link goes nowhere. And while most of America would in fact be immune to the word "shit," it is still defined as a curse word; ergo, it's offensive. More so than "poop." Tell me, which would you say to your grandma? "Poop" or "shit"? Yeah, that's what I thought. And poop has nothing to do with cheeseburgers and hot dogs, unless that's what is MAKING the poop. Please attempt to stay on topic when on a discussion page. Bouncehoper


 * This might help.


 * "cheeseburgers and hot dogs" were part of a comparison, which was on topic (namely, why "poop is an annoying word). My grandmother is just as likely to be offended by "poop" as "shit". Rintrah 23:55, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

For #1, it IS different than Talk About Shit. It is set up to be more like a real surfing website, with polls, user interaction, merchandise, stories, news, etc. Much more than just a place to post things. For #3, again, it would be interesting to searchers of this term. It's not promotion; it's an alternative. Some people would find it more user-friendly than Talk About Shit. For #13, it is still related to this particular page, since "poop" only has a disambiguation page. Dude, no offense, but I don't care about your grandma. That wasn't the point. The point was that the word "poop" has nothing to do with "Americana" or however you're imagining it. And it's not a "still-born euphemism"--what do people say on TV? What about "Everybody Poops"? It's obviously still a relevant word and used frequently. The phrase "make whoopie" went out of style a long time ago, yes, but "poop" is still around, just like "fucking". Bouncehoper 04:32, 13 January 2007 (UTC)


 * As for your counterarguments:
 * For #1, it IS different than Talk About Shit. It is set up to be more like a real surfing website, with polls, user interaction, merchandise, stories, news, etc. Much more than just a place to post things.
 * Look again. Where is the external link to Talk About Shit? Talk About Shit isn't the benchmark for external links criteria; comparing your website with it is worthless. Your website is not a proper resource for "shit", and certainly not one beyond that which a featured article would cover. "The Intellectual Appreciation of [stupid word] Humor" bears more on Toilet humor than Shit.
 * For #3, again, it would be interesting to searchers of this term. It's not promotion; it's an alternative. Some people would find it more user-friendly than Talk About Shit.
 * You are promoting it; you just want that website to receive more hits (promotion). It does not help the reader understand the subject "shit". "Interesting" isn't a criterion; more important is whether the website is useful.
 * For #13, it is still related to this particular page, since "poop" only has a disambiguation page.
 * Non sequittur: "poop" is a disambiguation page; therefore, "poop" (and hence poopreport) is directly related to "shit". It is very difficult to see how it is "directly and symmetrically related to the article's subject".


 * As for the rest, I mentioned my grandmother because you brought her up; you made a point and retracted it. "Poop" has everything to do with "Americana", as you put it. What English speaking country other than the United States uses "poop" commonly—England, Canada, Scotland, Ireland, Australia, South Africa, or New Zealand? None. It is silly to assume what is true for the United States is true for the rest of the world. What about "Everybody Poops"? Until this year, I hadn't heard of it before, and I'm pleased I hadn't. You're right: "poop" is used frequently, especially on TV—in the United States. Rintrah 06:21, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, now, aren't you a poopy pants??? :) And just for facts, other English-speaking countries use "poop" and "poo" all the time. :-D Bouncehoper 07:35, 21 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I admit, I can't handle juvenile insults. Spare me.


 * You're half-right: English-speaking countries use "poo" all the time, but "poop" is an Americanism. Maybe you could put the links on Simple English wikipedia; most of its readers are under 13. Rintrah 07:47, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=poop 'Twas meant to be a joke. Sorry you didn't get it. Maybe YOU should be the one on Simple English wiki...:-DBouncehoper 18:52, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

A link
I thought this was interesting: http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl-s-word.htm Jek1875 10:07, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Article Length
This articles goes on and on, and is completely unsourced. Is it really necessary to cite every example of shit ' s usage? The entire false etymology section of "shit" is extraneous; it is enough to say it exists and is wrong. Too many drive-by editors think, "OMG, I'm going to totally add my own example of shit and talk shit." Please aim at conciseness. Rintrah 16:17, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

shit stirrer
Hi

The page on shit says that this means "trouble causer" in certain parts of England. I'm 41, English, and have never encountered a part of England where it doesn't mean that

Cheers Neil

-- There is not written what DOES mean "shit stirrer", only that

"A "shit stirrer" is used to mean the same thing in the South London and North Kent areas of England, as well as in Australia."

But what does it mean? thx

Shit, is it good for our health?
This question may occur in each and every one of you. Am i right? can we really taste the taste of the shit? well doctors announced that as the shit is our digested food and other stuff mixed together - by re-entering it in our body we can make a great effect an more matebolisim work fastly. The doctors also said that there are flavours. One can refer to the milky shit- a common white shit with a taste of dead flies. Then there's the most common: brown shit, tastes of milky chocolate and orange soda. There's also the dark shit, generally known as: the tastiest. But can we brave in something so simple? can we really eat it?! even if we know that it's so good for our health? i'll leave the answer storming in your minds... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Harja (talk • contribs) 15:34, 28 December 2006 (UTC).


 * Needless to say—indeed, I don't even know why I'm saying it—you're full of shit. You might have more luck peddling your wares on toilet humour. Rintrah 14:19, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm... Let me think about it... Is ingesting pre-digested "food" into your body healthy? Uh... NO! 1) You won't get any nutrients or stuff your body needs out of it because it's just remains (everything your body couldn't use). 2) It's probably brimming with all sorts of intestinal bacteria. 3) Who eats shit? You can't have excellent mental health if you're over 5 years old and you eat shit. Slartibartfast1992 23:17, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Accepted
Perhaps note should be made of the use of the word in the movie Accepted, which, according to its page, has 62 references to the word, including the abbreviation S.H.I.T for South Harmon Institute of Technology.--Kedalfax 19:54, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't think that's a great idea, since if we had to list every time a S.H.I.T. acronym has been made up for comedy, we'd probably wind up with an article somewhat bigger for no important reason. Besides, there are some more notable S.H.I.T. acronyms such as one from an episode of The Simpsons which I don't happen to remember now (read about that acronym here on wikipedia so I think you can find it). Kind of off topic but Accepted was an awesome movie (: . Slartibartfast1992 23:12, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Pictures
I'm missing some photographs. Maybe in 100 000 000 000 Billion years aliens won't know what shit looks like because scientists will develope a possibily to stop us shitting. --84.159.61.189 16:05, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Go to google.com, click "Images", type in "shit", and then click "Search". Now take your nonsense elsewhere. Rintrah 15:45, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

As ridiculous as it may sound, I think pictures should be appropriate. If you think this is nonsense, then start removing all the penis, vagina etc. pictures from their articles.

Too many euphemisms?
When talking about the other euphemisms for defecating, there are 43 euphemisms, 43 of which I have never heard of in my life (do the math). The most common one I hear, going #2, is not even listed. While I can understand 2, maybe 3 euphemisms, 43 is too many, especially when they all seem obscure and out of common usage -- the purpose of the list in the first place is to give an example of what is used instead, so it should read something like this:

For practical purposes, when actual defecation and excreta are spoken of in English, it is either through creative euphemism (e.g., [2 or 3 items]) or with a vague and fairly rigid literalism.

In a side note, the general presentation of the article is rather choppy and to me looks like it should be rather redone, but who I am I to say how it works? I'm just a poor high school student who hasn't heard this word used a lot since I stopped riding the bus from school... IMacWin95 00:38, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

you win!
fuck you, wikipedia, you win. you've taken your disgusting victory and rubbed it in our faces. please respond on the talk page of herkelthebrave, if you have questions. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.231.127.15 (talk) 22:32, 18 March 2007 (UTC).

External source addition
editprotected
 * Whiff: A Pill that Stops the Smell of Shit

Reason for addition: this is a legitimate product, a dietary supplement, whose presence on the market is a noteworthy addition to the Shit page.

Thanks,

Steve
 * Discuss it first. Cbrown1023 talk 22:48, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Sorry - contact for that last post
For the Whiff addition: Steveschuster 02:18, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Warning
Does some admin want to give the hilarious User: Farmidillo a vandalism warning for his ", another word for shit is known to be Hyper97" Dkkicks 10:29, 1 April 2007 (UTC)