Talk:Shivraj Patil

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Sri Shivraj v patil at home minister in indian govt —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.92.188.183 (talk) 12:52, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Controversies section
Controversies section was present since 21 February 2009. It was added by LilHelpa user. It had valid references and citations. I don't know why Sarcasticidealist user deleted it. I'm restoring it. This is an incident happened and thousands of news articles are available to prove it. Deleting this incident which had all the valid proofs is not considered neutral. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Btarun (talk • contribs) 00:29, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
 * The bit about changing his clothes is clearly a minor issue; including it here, especially with its own heading, presents clear issues of undue weight. As for the part about his stance on anti-terror laws, there may be room to include that, but it needs to be described in a neutral tone.  "He consistently refused to revive tough anti terror laws" clearly doesn't even come close. Sarcasticidealist (talk) 00:36, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Mr Sarcasticidealist, I am not trying to add something trivial here. There were more than 20 bomb blasts during his tenure as a home minister. He has changed clothes thrice in few hours while there were horrific serial bomb blasts and deaths in the country. Don't you think that this point shows that he is least bothered about the bomb blasts and expressed his least interest in tackling the investigation and rescue efforts. Have you even googled his name? Please try it and see what comes out as results. Come back to me with 1 link which mentions his efficiency or anything good about him. What is wrong in saying that he consistently refused to revive tough anti-terror laws? I've cited 3 references with links showing his own statements. When there are news articles and videos showing his statements again and again saying that he won't revive anti-terror laws, what makes you think that you can delete the article ruthlessly. Please try to know about Shivraj Patil and dare to see his interviews and then come here to delete the stuff. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Btarun (talk • contribs) 00:49, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Moreover that controversies article was present since Feb 21, 2009. I've added 1 more controversy about anti-terror laws, then you deleted not only my comments but also the earlier one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Btarun (talk • contribs) 00:52, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
 * So your argument is essentially that he did a bad job, so this article should be overwhelmingly negative? I rather thought it might be something like that.  I'll request others' views; per WP:BLP, please do not re-insert the material until we've received it. Sarcasticidealist (talk) 00:54, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Mr Sarcastic, I don't want the article to be overwhelmingly negative. There is no reference to a single word about the way he handled continuous terrorist attacks. Thousands of people died in multiple horrific bomb blasts. Do you even know anything about the bomb blasts occurred in India? Just for 1 incident, 9/11, how much Americans talk about the attack and blame the authorities responsible for that attack. Mr Sarcastic, we have had hundreds of attacks. I just don't understand, how come this seems to be trivial or biased to you? Do you know anything about 26/11 attack on India? My god!! I strongly contend your stand because you have deleted some content which was existing even before I've started adding. You haven't explained why you did that. You have ended the discussion asking me not to edit it again, and you need time to ask other's opinions. How about this? I will re-store the the comment which was present since 02/21/09, then you ask any Indian about this comment. If they negate this, then go ahead and delete it. I'll never edit this again. Mr Sarcastic, please try to have some knowledge about this politician, before you go ahead and deleting. How can you decide whether it is biased or under-weight, when you don't know the gravity of the problems occurred in India? I'm being neutral. Please ask any person who lived in India and then go ahead make your changes. But Mr Sarcastic, please try to be honest. I'll wait for 1 week. If you don't come back with a link or proof saying that my comments were wrong, then I'll restore it. Btarun (talk) 01:48, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

NO, don't restore it. Contentious material stays out unless there is a consensus that it is proper to keep it in. I agree that this is minor incident and looks like undue weight. It should stay out.--Scott Mac (Doc) 13:23, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

The source says "several times in the hours immediately after a bomb attack on Delhi", not 3 times in 3 hours. And it is trivia. The only way it could be worthy of inclusion is if (a) it contributed significantly to his resignation and (b) more detail on how/why (eg time spent changing when he should have been governing). Source given doesn't suffice for either. Rd232 talk 04:59, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

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 * Shri Shivraj Patil in his office after taking over the charge of the Union Minister of Home in New Delhi on May 24, 2004.jpg