Talk:Shofar

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 * The horn is flattened and given a turned up bell by applying heat to soften it. A hole is made from the tip of the horn to the natural hollow inside. Because this hollow is of irregular bore, the harmonics obtained when playing the instrument can vary: rather than a pure perfect fifth, intervals as narrow as a fourth, or as wide as a sixth may be produced. 

I assume it was removed by mistake, and put it back (slightly rearraged) in the "construction" section. If it's faulty in any way, I'd appreciate fixes, of course. --Camembert

Re the portion of the article saying it's never used today outside of Yom Kippur and Rosh Hashanah services: I may be clueless about Jewish liturgy, but wasn't it used during the celebrations immediately after the capture of the Western Wall by the Israelis in 1967? Similarly, I've heard (apocryphally) of it being used as a signaling device by the Israelis in battle situations. -152.163.252.4 11:24, 7 Dec 2003 (UTC)


 * I don't know about that, but what the article says is that it's almost never used outside of those times, which I think is accurate. --Camembert

In the section on the performer, the article says "Every Jew is eligigble for any sacred office, providing s/he is acceptable...", and then goes on to say "If a potential choice will cause dissention, he should withdraw his candidacy...". Where would I find guidance on the use of "s/he" vs. "he" as a gender-neutral pronoun, particularly within a given paragraph? I'd expect them to at least be internally consistent. Shall I change the "he" to "s/he", or is the initial "s/he" understood to set the referent for the following pronouns? --AnthonySorace

didgeridoo style
Are there any players that play it didgeridoo style, i.e. with circular breathing and multiphonics?Myrtone (the strict Australian wikipedian)(talk)

I don't think so, a shofar requires a lot of air quantity, and a lot of pressure to sound, too much for circular (cheek) breathing. 71.199.123.24 21:40, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

And regarding multiphonics: a shofar does not make any sound if you just blow into it (like a flute or recorder) you need to purse your lips and make a sort of bzzzzz sound. You can change the tone by changing the tone of the bzzzz, so I don't see any way of making multiple sounds. 71.199.123.24 21:44, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Unique sound waves

 * Click on a computer representation of a "tekiah" . Note the second tkiya note is similar but not identical to the first. The second starts out the same, then the long note of the first note is more sustained (and perhaps more melodic). The second note below has a vibrating long note at nearly the same amplitude. The third part of the note trails off and is similar but not identical in the two examples.

I removed the section (above) from the article. While it is accurate to state that the Shofar has "unique sound waves," this statement would hold for any instrument. "Unique sound waves" are what make a shofar sound like a shofar, a violin sound like a violin, or my voice sound like me, when I speak. The second assertion, that a "computer representation" is not the identical to the real thing, would likewise hold up for a recording or "computer representation" of anything. --Dbolton 01:50, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

What type of horn may be used
This article goes around and around, and contradicts itself, on the subject of exactly which horns may be used, and in particular, whether the horns of non-kosher animals may be used. It's clear that there are differences of opinion on this point, but that could be presented a lot better - at present, several different views are presented, each as if it's the only authoritative one, and they're scattered through different sections of the article. I'd suggest creation of a new section for this issue, moving all the explanations into that one section, and summarizing the range of views that exist (with emphasis on the point that it depends which authority you follow) instead of giving them all in detail.129.97.79.144 16:22, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Silver trumpet vs. Shofar
From the article: "The shofar is prescribed for the announcement of the New Moon and solemn feasts (Num. x. 10; Ps. lxxxi. 4)"
 * The ref to Num 10 v 10 needs to be checked, I think it refers to the Silver trumpets and not the more humble rams horn. -- Paul Carley, 05:45, 16 November 2007.

Post-Biblical times
The first sentence under the "Post-Biblical times" section speaks of "the ban on playing musical instruments as a sign of mourning for the destruciton of the temple." Where can I learn more about the ban as a sign of mounring? The reference ending the paragraph (Heritage of Music, pp 44-45) does not address that issue. 4unity (talk) 02:05, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Bracha
What's a bracha? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.184.48.121 (talk) 02:22, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Blessing. Ariel. (talk) 10:26, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism
In the section on the usage of the shofar in the temple, the word "instrument" is interrupted by "POOOP." I'm not sure how to fix it, otherwise I would have.messor (talk) 22:25, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Golden calf
It should be remarked that, according to my jewish history teacher (therefore, I dont have references) who is a Rabbi the shofar can´t be a cow horn because that would be a reminder of the golden calf episode. That info it is not on the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.80.61.183 (talk) 00:31, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I've never heard that, but if you can find a reliable reference, go ahead and put it in the article. Tad Lincoln (talk) 16:26, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, I noticed that it is in the article already. It just doesn't say that it's because of the golden calf incident. Tad Lincoln (talk) 16:29, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * "The Impact of Shofar upon Prayer" by Rav Moshe Taragin discusses this. From its second paragraph: "The Gemara in Rosh Ha-shana (26a) cites a debate whether the horn of a cow may be used for shofar. One reason suggested by the Gemara for the stringent view argues that a cow's horn invokes memories of the Golden Calf..." Jonathunder (talk) 17:30, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

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So exactly where did the support come regarding women sounding the shofar only for other women. Having had the honor of sounding shofar for our congregation of 500+ for over 20 years, I find it amazing that the three Rabbis I worked with didn't know that detail.CwinterfieldCwinterfield (talk) 03:51, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

jubilee is every 49 years not 50
for a jubilee it's the 50th year, but the cycle 49 years; every 7th year is a sabbath, and the year after a 7th sabbath year is the jubilee;

The element in Jubilee would be Land returned to previosus owner; because of this, land purchases considered the time left to nex Jubilee in setting the price. The attached image, form a Swedish book about 'Israels historia', wants depicting 'Baal' meaning 'lord'. The Bible tale about EliJah, of Baal priests hurting themselves to bleed with knives, punches, has a contemporary copy in some Muslims doing this in Karbala and also some devotes in the Philipines. 'Nothing new under the Sun'. Blessings + --Caula (talk) 14:32, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Leviticus 25 http://www.biblestudytools.com/parallel-bible/passage/?q=leviticus+25&t=bbe&t2=ojb

8 And let seven Sabbaths of years be numbered to you, seven times seven years; even the days of seven Sabbaths of years, that is forty-nine years; 9 Then let the loud horn be sounded far and wide on the tenth day of the seventh month; on the day of taking away sin -- in the Yom HaKippurim -- let the horn be sounded through all your land. 10 And let this fiftieth year be kept holy, and say publicly that everyone in the land is free from debt: it is the Jubilee, and every man may go back to his heritage and to his family. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikipaddn (talk • contribs) 05:31, 4 October 2016 (UTC)


 * The Rambam says the opposite of what you think to be true, see Hilchot Shmita veYovlot, 10:7. Debresser (talk) 17:01, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

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