Talk:Shomrim Society

Creation of Article
This article was created by moving text from Shomer which did not belong there. --Redaktor 00:10, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

shoulder patch
shoulder patch presumed to be copyright free as NYC municipal / NYS property i.e. public domain. if inclined to remove it, justify please. Cramyourspam (talk) 17:51, 4 July 2011 (UTC) --- also have added fair use info to the image === Fair use in Shomrim_(fraternal_police_organization) === Though this image is subject to copyright, its use is covered by the U.S. fair use laws, and the stricter requirements of Wikipedia's non-free content policies, because: # It illustrates an educational article about the entity that the logo represents. # The image is used as the primary means of visual identification of the article topic. # It is a low resolution image, and thus not suitable for production of counterfeit goods. # The logo is not used in such a way that a reader would be confused into believing that the article is written or authorized by the owner of the logo. # It is not replaceable with an uncopyrighted or freely copyrighted image of comparable educational value. ---
 * 1) see also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Non-free_use_rationale_guideline

Cramyourspam (talk) 18:17, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

ah thanks triangle for the mainspace use only tip. Cramyourspam (talk) 21:28, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Undid deletion of "The 'First' Shomer" section
user Roscelese deleted the section as "interesting but irrelevant":


 * The "First" Shomer


 * The first Jewish police officer in North America was Asser Levy. He was one of the 23 immigrants from the Dutch colony of Recife, Brazil, that came to New Amsterdam. On November 5, 1655, Asser Levy and Jacob Barsimson filed petitions with the colonial court asking that they either be allowed to stand watch with the other citizens or relieved of the tax. After an initial rejection and a two-year fight, Levy won the right to stand watch.On April 21, 1657, he became New Amsterdam's first Jewish watchman.

i undid that deletion since the story of NYC's first jewish police in the page about NYC's jewish police organization actually DOES seem relevant --and deleting a third of the article should get some space on the discussion page before going through. Cramyourspam (talk) 22:04, 26 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Sorry, missed that you'd started a section on the talk page. Anyway, the problem with that section was that the topic of this article is ostensibly the Shomrim Society of the NYPD, not "Jews in the NYPD," far less "Jewish police officers in North America," which is what that section was. (The NYPD was founded in 1844.) Now, it's possible that Jews in the NYPD or Jews in the police could be an interesting and useful topic on which to write an article, but it's not this article. Do you have a source suggesting that the formation of the society was inspired by Levy, or anything like that? Anything that discusses Levy's relevance to the society which is the topic of the article? Roscelese (talk &sdot; contribs) 22:30, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Merge with Shomrim (neighborhood watch group)?
Does this not make more sense as a section under Shomrim (neighborhood watch group)? --FeldBum (talk) 17:10, 5 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Nope. I was totally wrong. Went to pay a shiva call for an NYPD Captain who was in Shomrim. This page could use a LOT of work, and I'm going to work on it, but definitely should not be merged. Oppose my own resolution and resolved. --FeldBum (talk) 21:28, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

Numbers seem very wrong
The article currently claims "The first Shomrim Society was established in 1924 with 240 of the 700 Jewish members of the" NYPD, and later in the same paragraph "At that time only 1% of the department was Jewish". If 700 members really amounted to 1% of the force, then the total size of the force would have been 70,000, about twice the current size of the NYPD. 2600:4040:983F:C000:8B21:B4F5:E0D2:2F13 (talk) 01:24, 11 July 2024 (UTC)