Talk:Shoot (professional wrestling)

Legit match vs. shoot
A "legit" match is not necessarily the same thing as a shoot. Espeically in the past, there have been actual pro wrestling matches which were not totally scripted and which were, one degree or another, "legitimate". A "shoot" implies blowing off the storyline and "going into business for yourself", or, really messing it up by not selling it or other ways such as getting really injured and unable to follow it. I suggest no to merge. Rlquall 21:08, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Agreed - No to merge. Mytildebang 06:52, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Also voting no. --Liface 16:26, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Brody vs. Luger
Why is there no mention of perhaps the most notorious shoot outside of the Montreal Screwjob: Bruiser Brody v. Lex Luger. If anything, that's far more of a shoot.

Recent WWE shoots
There have been more and more recent worked shoots in the WWE recently. On RAW ast week, Mr. Kennedy brought out a fake Marty Jennety, Razor Ramon, and Diesel to talk about Shawn Michaels. When the Razor Ramon guy came out, Mr. Kennedy quickly said to him "Thanks for showing up by the way," an obvious reference to Scott Hall's no show at TNA Turning Point the night before. And Triple H is constantly making obvious referneces to his marriage to Stephanie McMahon including saying he would take out his father-in-law for a shot at the title and and telling Stephanie he would "see her at home...opps, I mean your brother's a gnome." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.110.211.161 (talk) 01:18, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Merge request
There's no point in having this article and Shoot (professional wrestling), when this entire article would fit nicely into a small subsection in Shoot (professional wrestling). This would be like having an article for professional wrestling and another for professional wrestler. ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 15:21, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Merge: per nom. Pavlen (talk) 17:13, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Merge per nom.-- TRU CO 13:40, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Merge, there is no point in separate articles, especially when neither is very long. Nikki ♥  311  22:48, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Merge No brainer JakeDHS07 23:05, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Confusion of terms
The article's section "Examples of worked shoots" lists various events that have nothing to do with shoots or worked shoots but are simply examples of a kayfabe storyline. It is especially questionable whether the term makes sense before the rise of "shoots" to prominence.


 * Perhaps the longest example of a worked shoot was the bitter feud in the early 1980s between Jerry Lawler and performer Andy Kaufman, which started after Kaufman opened a $1,000 challenge to any woman, claiming he could not be pinned by one. Lawler and Kaufman even appeared together on Late Night with David Letterman and staged a physical altercation there. The depth of the "working" escalated with Kaufman being admitted to hospitals and wearing a neck brace in public for months. The reality of the events was left ambiguous until over 10 years after Kaufman's death.


 * This rather seems to be a very well kept up front of kayfabe.
 * to honor Kaufman with inclusion in this article, were not the "Friday's fights" fine examples of "worked shoots"? 65.118.97.26 (talk) 20:31, 12 December 2018 (UTC)


 * When Bob Backlund lost the WWF Title to the Iron Sheik in 1983, his manager, Arnold Skaaland, threw in the towel without Backlund's consent.
 * This is no shoot at all - simply the storyline that Backlund would not submit and Skaaland tried to save him.


 * The "Pillman's got a gun" storyline in 1996, in which Brian Pillman pulled a gun on Steve Austin on-camera when Austin "invaded Pillman's home."
 * This also is rather a extreme (and pretty tasteless) storyline but not a shoot.

If those qualify as "worked shoot", the term becomes meaningless and things like Hogan losing the title to Andre etc. would qualify too.


 * On the April 5, 1999 episode of WWF Raw Is War, Ken Shamrock allegedly became fed-up with the abuse endured by his on-screen sister, Ryan, and called out The Undertaker, repeatedly referring to him by his real name, Mark.
 * During a fallout between Mick Foley and The Rock and their tag-team The Rock and Sock Connection, Foley started yelling at the Rock, then called him his real name, "Dwayne" (with what sounded like sarcastic emphasis).


 * These two also seem questionable as the "shoot" aspect merely consists of using real life names.

Str1977 (talk) 00:21, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

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