Talk:Shoplifters (film)

Requested move 28 June 2020

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: There's consensus to move however no consensus as to whether Shoplifters should be a disambiguation page. I will create a temporary disambiguation page, however there may need to be another discussion as to whether disambiguation is appropriate. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  07:58, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Shoplifters → Shoplifters (film) – the primary topic for the dicdef "shoplifters" is shoplifting. This title should be a WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT to shoplifting. Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:20, 28 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Support, immediately clear primary topic of the term. BD2412  T 16:35, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per nom/above. Kingsif (talk) 16:35, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per above. "Shoplifters" is a general term, and the film's article should be disambiguated. Erik (talk &#124; contrib) (ping me) 16:43, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate per WP:ASTONISH no clear primary topic, although by usage the film is likely primary is isn't by PT#2 and therefore per WP:NOPRIMARY a DAB probably makes most sense, redirect to Shoplifting (disambiguation) or create a new DAB page. Note that there was an undiscussed move last year but over a year probably makes it stable but it should still be moved.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 17:14, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per nomination, BD2412, Kingsif, Erik and Crouch, Swale. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 17:18, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose per WP:PRIMARYUSAGE. This film is not only the only article on WP actually titled "Shoplifters", but it gets |Shoplifting|Shoplifting_(band)|Shoplifter_(artist) 4x the pageviews of shoplifting, probably more when you consider not too many people search for an article about shoplifting by typing "shoplifters", especially plural. Station1 (talk) 18:33, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate per WP:ASTONISH, per User:Crouch, Swale. I'd say there's no primary topic for the title. When in doubt, disambiguate. Paintspot Infez (talk) 19:42, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment: There is no evidence to support the claim that someone typing in "shoplifters" will be astonished to wind up at shoplifting. Thief and thieves redirects to theft. Criminal and criminals redirect to crime. Burglar and burglars redirect to burglary. Looter and looters redirect to looting. Shoplifter, of course, redirects to shoplifting. It is unnecessary to hijack a proper "shoplifters" redirect just because a film exists. We tolerate variations of general terms redirecting to their common page. The film is a named title directly derived from a known and familiar term. Erik (talk &#124; contrib) (ping me) 22:43, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * But there is evidence, which I provided above, that most people searching for or linking to Shoplifters will be astonished to arrive at shoplifting. At least 4 times as many people read the article about the popular and prize-winning film as about shoplifting. Even if every single person who reads the shoplifting article got there after first landing on Shoplifters by mistake, it still means that well over three quarters of all readers expect to be on the film's article. Station1 (talk) 23:07, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Hat it's can cover the WP:TWODABS situation and no dab page is needed. oknazevad (talk) 02:25, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Support Per nom, and BD2412. Bingo bro  (Chat)  04:45, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Support While pageviews are sometimes a useful metric, in this case the dicdef concerns override that. Opencooper (talk) 15:26, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose per WP:NOTADICTIONARY and per Station1. It is indeed highly unusual for a plural form to get anywhere close, let get more views than a singular form. When it does, that is very strong evidence that the plural form has a separate primarytopic. That's exactly what WP:PLURALPT contemplates. Also - Wikipedia is WP:NOTADICTIONARY. Being the primary usage of a word in the English language does not make it the primary encyclopedic topic. The combination here means that the film is the primary topic of "Shoplifters". Dohn joe (talk) 18:33, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
 * WP:PLURALPT gives a similar example of Cars going to the noun not the film, as noted its likely that by usage its the film and by long-term significance its the crime. WP:PRIMARYTOPIC also gives Apple/Apple Inc. as an example of long-term significance. There is conflict between the 2 therefore the DAB page is the best compromise.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 20:11, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose I've had a think about this, and I believe the film is the primary topic of the term "Shoplifters" on WP, with more readers looking for the (acclaimed) film. If people were seaching for shoplifting, I think they'd be more inclined to type in "shoplifter" or "shoplifted" to get to the topic on theft from shops. The hatnote setup works fine as it is.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 19:48, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose - As per User:Station1 above. Shoplifters is getting 4x the pageviews of Shoplifting, clearly people expect the film. I'm much more interested in what readers want and metrics, over self-important editors fannying about, making work for themselves. - hahnch e n 10:15, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per nomination. 207.161.86.162 (talk) 04:10, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Station1 Ribbet32 (talk) 04:56, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Support obvious WP:NOPRIMARY for shoplifters other than shoplifting. In ictu oculi (talk) 10:38, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Support. Clear primary redirect. -- Necrothesp (talk) 23:50, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Box office
I corrected the box office gross according to the original source provided (https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Manbiki-kazoku-(Japan)-(2018)). Because different sources provide different amounts, I did this for some kind of consensus that can be cited. If anyone has better source or procedure, please feel free to correct it and let me know so I can improve other articles accordingly. Primium (talk) 23:25, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

Plot
Not sure if we saw the same movie or it differs in the translation, but according to what I saw, the retelling is wrong in some parts. 2003:DB:1727:2700:8010:E5F2:D577:EA41 (talk) 20:15, 10 April 2024 (UTC)