Talk:Shorthand

Dating confusions (Europe and North America)
The section Europe and North America has some confusing mistakes about dating the systems. It dates John Willis' system to 1602, Edmond Willis' system to 1618, and Thomas Shelton's first system to 1626. It also states that Shelton borrowed from Edmond Willis to design his system. However, at List_of_shorthand_systems John Willis' system is dated to 1618, Edmond Willis' system to 1627, and Thomas Shelton's first system to 1626. Not only are the dates different (and with individual citations, unlike on this page) but the dates make it implausible for Shelton to have based his system on Edmond Willis' system. I don't know which page is right, but the discrepancy needs to be corrected somehow. 2601:441:4400:1740:A58F:9116:857A:AB26 (talk) 18:36, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Now I have found a reference to John Willis publishing something about Shorthand (his system?) in 1602: on page xv of "The 'instruction book' ... Pocknell's Legible shorthand". 2601:441:4400:1740:A58F:9116:857A:AB26 (talk) 19:49, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Here is another source, supporting the dates in this article over the dates in the List article: https://metilli.com/files/Metilli-Odyssey-2014-05-05.pdf (p. 3). 2601:441:4400:1740:A58F:9116:857A:AB26 (talk) 21:56, 31 January 2022 (UTC)