Talk:Shoulder dystocia

Strange quote on recurrence
"Recurrence rates are relatively high and low most of the short time.[11]" Can anyone tell me what this means? Are recurrence rates high or low? Lcwilsie (talk) 19:44, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree. Can an expert clarify this? &mdash; Wdfarmer (talk) 10:04, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Definitely need a an expert here. This line makes no sense. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.68.86.52 (talk) 21:01, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I've added a note at the article head to get some expert help. – Wdfarmer (talk) 02:50, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Expert review donejsfouche (talk) 05:48, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Subtle vandalism?
Was this edit a subtle vandalism? The editor was an IP address. &mdash; Wdfarmer (talk) 10:05, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Nerve Damage does not make sense
"The ventral roots (motor pathway) are most prone to injury, as they are in the plane of greatest tension (anterior, sensory nerves are somewhat protected due to the usual inward movement of the shoulder)."

ventral and anterior mean the same thing, so you cannot contrast them against each other. motor pathway is always ventral (anterior) while sensory pathway is dorsal (posterior). I am not sure how to correct this paragraph because I don't know which is supposed to be more prone to damage, but as it stands the information is confused and doesn't make sense - it essentially says the front roots are most prone to injury while the front nerves are somewhat protected. One of them needs to be changed. THEMlCK (talk) 22:49, 16 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, the 2009 version of the sentence doesn't make sense (plane of force is also dubious). Nevertheless, it made its way, verbatim, into a 2016 textbook: . The 2008 version differs in that it routes the motor pathway through the dorsal roots. While this is in line with the stated mechanism (inward movement), it is just wrong (yes, the motor pathway is always ventral). Since none of the books I visited stated sensory losses to be dominating, just to the contrary, the mechanism must be wrong, too, and should be deleted. --Rainald62 (talk) 22:43, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

Mnemonic
Another mnemonic used here in Australia is "HELPERR" which may be more intuitive 182.255.99.214 (talk) 11:32, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Complications
Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 16:25, 3 October 2018 (UTC)