Talk:Shoulder problem

This article contains text taken from the public domain document "Questions and Answers about Shoulder Problems", NIH Publication No. 01-4865, available from URL http://www.niams.nih.gov/hi/topics/shoulderprobs/shoulderqa.htm 

Treatment
"The first step in treating these conditions is to reduce pain and inflammation with rest, ice, and anti-inflammatory medicines such as..." Does not cite any reference. The advice to use Ibuprofen is actually somewhat harmful.

This article is a Start; not even "C" grade, certainly not "B" grade. Needs research and references. --69.105.233.180 (talk) 04:43, 19 April 2011 (UTC)Xkit

Hello,
You know whats good for shoulder pain?

Are you sure this document has been placed in the public domain? I do not see any advice that it has.

Cheers, DaveB. --DaveB 07:38, 17 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Works by the United States government aren't eligible for copyright and are automatically in the public domain. If this was created by the NIH (an arm of the department of Health and Human Services), then it's presumably public domain.

James Grimmelmann 16:11, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

I just added a section I thought were needed but are not part of the refered article. Should I distinguish my additions from those of the original document? If so, how? Root4(one) 21:59, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Tendonitis, bursitis, Impingement syndrome, and Rotator cuff tears
Originally this section was "Tendonitis, bursitis, Impingement syndrome" and then there was a section called "Rotator cuff tears". I performed a (very) quick merge of the two sections, but it needs work. The sections are related because (except for trauma, most cases of Rotator cuff tears are caused by Impingement syndrome (from my limited understanding). I had kept them separate but now I've got them together... I may do some thinking and come to believe the original organization was better.  But in any case this needs work. 08:05, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Strange recently Removed
I documented this at Wikipedia:Village Pump (technical) I wonder if it is a bug with popups? Root4(one) 05:49, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I do use popups, and do get the weird html popping up occasionally in the text of a page, but never before in an edit box. Thanks for catching and fixing it. Ichibani 06:09, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Suggested move
I Suggest article is renamed to shoulder pain: The content of the article is directed toward shoulder pain, and it seems the norm to call this type of article xxx pain, e.g back pain.LeeVJ (talk) 16:10, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Sorting out the redirects for the pain split, and this page doesn't make sense - are there any shoulder problems that aren't painful?  WLU (talk) 17:00, 5 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Strongly Disagree. I don't think I could disagree any more than I do!  Pain is only one of the symptoms of these abnormalities. Root4(one) 00:33, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Crunching Sound when Moving the Shoulder
I'm aware that this is probably not the best place to get answer to this; but could anyone add any information whether which of these abnormalities cause a crunching sound in the shoulder? The sound comes very noticibly when the shoulder is rotated upside down in a circular motion, as if the bones are cracking upon each other. Some of the problems mention the bursae that should inhibit this. I have seen a few md's on this matter, and one claimed (without an MRI) that the capsule was probably torn; and it was impossible to fix it -- only advised some exercises to strenghten the neighboring regions. Thanks. 139.179.12.67 (talk) 11:38, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Musculoskeletal Complaint
CC: Right shoulder pain

Cgarrett2 (talk) 21:33, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

Requested move 10 March 2021

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Vaticidalprophet (talk) 12:23, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Shoulder problem → Shoulder pain – This is a better title for this page; all of these "problems" cause pain. Also, Wikipedia's preference for article titles in the singular, and "Shoulder problem" is less meaningful that "Shoulder pain" A loose necktie (talk) 14:51, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
 * This is a contested technical request (permalink). Polyamorph (talk) 14:41, 10 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Oppose Not all shoulder problems are painful. Polyamorph (talk) 14:41, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose for the same reason as Polyamorph. --Tom (LT) (talk) 05:16, 16 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Oppose: Per above, "shoulder pain" is a subclass of "shoulder problem", but not equivalent. Normally I won't !vote "per above", but this is to make the consensus clearer for the closer. ~  Aseleste  (t, e &#124; c, l) 11:05, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Recent edits
Hi terrific work here! I had a few minutes to take a look at the recent edits. Here are some comments: Thanks for sharing these improvements! JenOttawa (talk) 19:04, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
 * 1) I do not feel that the use of "AKA" is appropriate in the subheading. I removed it already, if that is ok.
 * 2) Before you remove "inaccurate information" it is great if you can include a source that shares this. I am not in the field so do not know if this is correct or not, but I just noted the removal of "Repeated motion involving the arms, or the aging process involving shoulder motion over many years, may also irritate and wear down the tendons, muscles, and surrounding structures".
 * 3) In this subsection, I noticed that the majority of references used to support this whole section are primary research studies that do not meet Wikipedia's Guideline for Reliable Sources (WP:MEDRS). If someone is in the field and is aware of a few high quality secondary sources that could be used to share evidence (even a strong text book would be great) I think that would be an excellent way to continue to improve this article. The primary research studies can be completely replaced by the secondary sources (I know... it is completely different from writing a review article for a peer reviewed journal, but this is how medical content on Wikipedia is usually shared!).


 * Hello @JenOttawa,
 * Thank you very much for your comments! I will relay it back to my doctor, and we will incorporate the changes accordingly.
 * Best,
 * Trit6611 (talk) 16:01, 12 April 2022 (UTC)