Talk:Shovelware/Archives/2012

Why does 'crapware' redirect here?
Crapware should redirect to this article instead: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundleware

Even under the craplets section, it says: ften new computers come with pre-installed software which the manufacturer was paid to include but is of dubious value to the purchaser. Such unwanted pre-installed software and advertisements are derogatorily called craplets, a portmanteau of crap and applet,[2][3] and crapware. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.114.146.78 (talk) 01:24, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Not a software distribution
Shovelware is software jargon but not a form of software distribution. It doesn't belong as part of the series, but instead in Category:Computing portmanteaus. I will move it soon if there are no objections. ··gracefool |&#9786; 23:09, 4 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Support: never heard that term before, but it looks like a good place for it. JonHarder 23:40, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Support. Chris Chittleborough 18:02, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Support:09:46, 11 June 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.12.183.130 (talk)

Not a dictionary
Wikipedia is not a dictionary. It says so in the 3rd sentence of the first pillar of the Five Pillars. This reference belongs in the Jargon File and hey whattayaknow?]. In what way does this term belong in an encyclopedia? : Brentstrahan 22:59, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I've updated this entry to include more information on the topic and arrange it beter. Hopefully it's more encyclopaedic now. --Jonathan Drain 11:19, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

I've always heard the term 'shovelware' in relation to hastily-ported B-grade softtware- mostly aroudn the PSX launch... usually old PC shooters 2 generations back in quality. (This is similar to, but distinct fromt he Gundam game example, as the shoverlware PSX ports were often PC games already 2+ years old at the time the PSX launched...) -207.224.79.162 23:38, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Merge with bundled software
How can you have the derogatory term for bundleware but not have bundleware (bundled software is the proper term). The Orange Box, The SimCity Box, the Blizzard "Battle Chest" series are all bundled software, but you can't call them "shovelware".
 * Merge, and make bundled software the topic. JAF1970 (talk) 18:36, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't Merge Shovelware refers to more than bundled software. Funkfrost (talk) 18:49, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't Merge, they aren't the same thing and one is not a subset of the other. --217.221.30.243 (talk) 15:22, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't Merge Two distinct and different subjects. One is not a synonym of the other. - X201 (talk) 16:11, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - I should just clarify what I meant by the above. I'm basically saying that this article is wrong. The definitions of the two words as I've always heard them are: Bundleware is software that is bundled with a new PC/device. Shovelware is software that has been ported (in a "slap it on the disc and sell it" manner) from one system to another or from one format to another e.g. Sega Megadrive games transferred to CD for use on the Mega CD(Sega CD) console or those "Five great PC programs on one disc" type packages. - X201 (talk) 19:59, 29 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Don't Merge The Nintendo Wii has had buckets of shovelware, none which have come bundled with the console. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lbgrowl (talk • contribs) 05:21, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment Shovelware is unwanted bundled software as I see it. So i think it actually does not mind if merging or not as long as it is clearly distinguished.--Kozuch (talk) 19:26, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't Merge Bundleware = new computer, free media management crap already on the HDD. Shovelware = unnecessary low-quality software. 84.9.123.86 (talk) 23:07, 23 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Don't Merge :Bundleware refers to bundled software whether with a system or as a pack like in "Battle Chest". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.12.183.130 (talk) 09:49, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Move sections
This article is diluted with sections that really are bundleware and not shovelware. I've moved the Pre-installed "shovelware" and the Craplet sections to the Bundleware article. It will make the bundleware article stronger and avoid blurring the meaning of this article. - X201 (talk) 12:19, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

nirvana
I understand that his user was unhappy with his purchase of the Nirvana box set, but it seems to be the editors own research, as there are no citations.

--96.227.96.62 (talk) 01:46, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Shovelware describing games more?
We need to cover the other term for shovelware, in the case of computer games, it really means the tat you have to push to the side (by the shovel) in order to get to somthing that is actually decent, sadly the games market is becoming bloated with shovelware such as quickly and poorly made film lisensed games. 81.148.241.141 (talk) 21:41, 5 January 2012 (UTC)


 * This. I was surprised that no mention is made of probably the most common usage of the term today; for terrible, terrible video games, usually those licensed from a film or product line. Cheers, Zaldax (talk) 20:52, 15 August 2012 (UTC)