Talk:Shropshire/Archive

In response to "What a mess!" -

Shropshire does not need more than one page as the traditional and ceremonial counties are the same thing and the administrative county is simply the traditional/ceremonial one minus Telford. It's not that hard to comprehend!!

Keep it as it is.

David.

195.92.168.169 on the 16th of October, was me, but I was logged out because I went offline. User:Alun Ephraim

Although none of the other edits done by 195.92.168.169, were done by me...I'm confused.

Alun Ephraim

Why "Salops"? It doesn't resemble "Shropshire" much. It seems like some German said it, and then he repeated it to a Chinese, and then to an Egyptian. How did this weird abbreviation occur? --Menchi (Talk)ü| â 10:15, 14 Dec 2003 (UTC)


 * It comes from Salopia the Latin name for Shrewsbury. Hence "Salops" = "the county based at Shrewsbury". For a time after the 1974 reorganisation "Salop" was the official name of the county, but it was much disliked and was changed back before too long. Arwel 15:11, 14 Dec 2003 (UTC)


 * So why is is Salops and not Salop in this article? I don't recall seeing it as Salops before Mintguy 20:25, 20 Dec 2003 (UTC)
 * You know how archaeologists always describe something which they don't know what it is as "a ritual object"? Well, I shall merely say that it's "traditional". :) Arwel 00:16, 22 Dec 2003 (UTC)
 * Salops has often been used as an abbreviation for the county on letters. Maybe somebody mixed things up. Timrollpickering 21:16, 19 Mar 2004 (UTC)

What a mess!
This article is a mess! It's trying to refer to 3 different things simultaneously, and failing miserably. Let me demonstrate, going through, sentence by sentence:

Opening: Shropshire (abbreviated Salop) is an county in the West Midlands of England, bordering Cheshire, Staffordshire, Telford and Wrekin, Worcestershire, Herefordshire, Powys, and Wrexham.

- obviously refering to the current, two-tier administrative county.

''It is one of England's most rural counties. The current county town is Shrewsbury, but was traditionally Ludlow, ''

- ' if the county town was traditionally Ludlow'', then we are now refering to the traditional county, and different entity. '''

''[...] and the largest town is by far the major industrial centre and New Town of Telford. ''

- here, we are obviously refering to either the traditional county or the ceremonial county; not, in any event, what the article's opening sentence refered to, which bordered Telford and Wrekin and obviously can't also contain Telford!

''The county is sub-divided into districts - Bridgnorth, North Shropshire, Oswestry, Shrewsbury and Atcham, South Shropshire. It used to contain Telford and Wrekin, which is now a separate unitary authority. ''

- Now we're back with the administrative county which used to contain Telford - even though only a sentence ago the same "county" contained Telford!

''Quite why a remote, rural county on the Welsh border, was the birthplace of the Industrial Revolution, mystifies many people. ''

- Now we're back to the traditional county, since neither administrative nor ceremonial shropshire was around at the time the industrial revolution was beginning.

''Geographically, Shropshire is divisible into several distinct areas: [...] Telford and the Wrekin Unitary Authority, is in the east of the county...''

'''...and we is being refered to here? Traditional? Cerremonial? The aritlce opened by saying that Telford and the Wrekin Unitary Authority bordered Shropshire, and now it's saying that the same authority is in the east of the "county"! And then the map shows only the administrative county!

What an utter mess! And it goes on... (e.g. at the base of the article we are then told that this is actually an article on one of the 'Ceremonial counties of England'!)'''

Therefore, the following should be done to resolve this: 1) Create a much-needed seperate page for the traditional county (Shropshire (traditional)) 2) Move information pertaining to the administrative entity to Shropshire (administrative) with reference to the creation of the ceremonial county in combination with Telford "county". 3) On the main Shropshire page, include maps of all three "shropshire"s, provide non-specific information, and link to the other two articles. 80.255 23:23, 12 Apr 2004 (UTC)
 * Actually, all that is needed is to make clear which areas are administratively independent, and when discussing stats compare the ceremonial and administrative areas, as is done succesfully on Dorset and Hampshire. Joe D (t) 11:32, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * But I've already done this - about a year ago! David, Shropshire
 * Ooops, didn't spot the year in the timestamp, thought it was current as somebody else left the reply (the spam) below. Joe D (t) 18:52, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

And I'm amazed no-one has mention - Morris Telford - A Salopian Odyssey, the BBC book about the Shropshire man's quest to tell the world how good Shropshire really is - www.cafepress.com/morristelford

How to visit shropshire
A relative of mine has studied Shropshire for some years. I therefore refer to is excellent article on tourism in the Shropshire region entitled "How to visit shropshire". Enjoy. http://csteinbach.com/steve Chris 08:13, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Can someone please clarify the reference to 'the Shropshire Regiment' burning the White House - which regiment was this please?? Saga City 21:05, Feb 4, 2005 (UTC)
 * I have answered my own question and, as a result, removed the reference. In 1814, when the burning took place the Shropshire county regiment - the 53rd of Foot - was in Europe. The regiment involved was the 85th Regiment of Foot, this was raised in Buckinghamshire. The contributer must have picked up the fact that in 1881, a long time after the incident, the two regiments were amalgamated to become, in the fullness of time, the KSLIs - the King's Shropshire Light Infantry - but this was 67 years after the event, so isn't relevant to this page.