Talk:Shulamit Aloni

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Can anyone include some info on Aloni's accomplishments (or lack thereof) as Education Minister (besides her objection to student trips to Poland, and her advocacy of teaching evolution and other "secularist" initiatives)? Did she introduce (or attempt to introduce) any reforms, outside of "secular-religion" matters? 58.111.175.223 (talk) 07:47, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

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"A trick we use" quote. Help needed....
I'm not a wikipedia veteran so I hope someone will help make the necessary edit in the right style. I'll have a go, but someone might need to clean it up. Basically I saw the clip in which she said this on twitter, used by someone in a way that made me feel it is being dangerously misunderstood or misused. I suspect that seeing this clip or hearing the quote will be THE main way people encounter this politician. So I'm concerned that it desperately needs contextualising asap.

Here's the issue... When she's saying "it's a trick we use", she's using 'we' in a particular way. She is being bleakly SARDONIC and deliberately mischievous to make a hard-hitting point, by identifying herself as part of a "we" that she, of course, does NOT identify herself as belonging to, and indeed her political career on the Israeli left is of identifying AGAINST those who believe "Israel right or wrong". This way of speaking with bleak irony is very common and understood in Israel and among Jews like myself and her! But it is NOT understood everywhere. So on Twitter it is being presented almost as a GOTCHA for conspiracy theorists, as if the mask has slipped, and inexplicably a Jew is telling the truth that WE use the Holocaust and antisemitism smears strategically. Like a Bond villain.

If Wikipedia doesn't somehow communicate this, the paradox is that accurately reporting the quote actually functions as supporting misinformation. 2A00:23C7:A829:B401:ECC3:DDF5:A670:8B24 (talk) 21:32, 22 November 2022 (UTC)