Talk:Si vis pacem, para bellum

Popular Culture
"In the 2004 film The Punisher, Frank Castle states that he learned the phrase in boot camp."

I believe that was first used in comic book Punisher - Year One.

Cel 84 (talk) 22:02, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

well you could put that in if you want,

also i have resored the pop culture section as it was completely removed before, and seems to be full of connections to other wikipedia articles, please don't be so ameri-centric about material being obscure, as there about 200 million people in Europe who can understand our language (i am british) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.9.94.225 (talk) 00:02, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

This phrase was also used for a Children of Bodom song, can't remember which album at present though.68.39.168.9 (talk) 22:05, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

The phrase is also used as the title of Episode 8 of the CBS Television show "Star Trek Discovery". — Preceding unsigned comment added by JohnWSaundersIII (talk • contribs) 04:25, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

cicero
this phrase has been attributed to cicero, although i understand no work of his containing the phrase hase been discoverd..... should there be something about this here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.9.94.225 (talk) 00:05, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Federalist Papers
The name Publius was also used by all three authors of the federalist papers (John Jay, Alexander Hamilton, and James Madison) while trying to convince the States to adopt the Constitution of the United States. In these letters they refer to military strength being a absolutely necessity in order for the country to maintain peace and keep from being attacked and taken advantage of. if each state had its own military it would be weaker and could not work well together but one federal military would be stronger and more coordinated. They discuss this in letter #2 and #11 at least, but may refer to it in more of them I havent read them all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.120.226.227 (talk) 05:28, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Nineteen Eighty-Four
Can it be argued that the motto "War is Peace" in George Orwell's Nineteen Eighty-Four is a literary reference to Si vis pacem, para bellum? --Delta1989 (talk/contributions) 13:31, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Original Quote?
May be trivia but some sources give the original quote from Vegetius as "Ergo qui desiderat pacem praeparet bellum." Instead of "Igitur...". E.g. http://books.google.com/books?id=uKk9AAAAcAAJ&dq=De+Re+Militari pg. 58 or search for "Ergo qui defiderat" (use the f instead of s to compensate for the old font). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.169.143.16 (talk) 03:59, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
 * The 2004 Oxford edition by M.D. Reeve has "igitur". "ergo" is not mentioned as a variant in its apparatus (p. 64). The abbreviations for ergo (go) and igitur (gi) look somewhat similar. Perhaps one was mistaken for the other in older editions. Iblardi (talk) 06:53, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Militaryimages.net
External link to militaryimages.net results in an error message. Link can be accessed on archive.org. --216.46.173.36 (talk) 17:49, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks. That link didn't seem useful anyway, so I removed it. I also removed the Merriam-Webster link, which also didn't seem useful. DoctorKubla (talk) 21:24, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Extremely small and transient groups are being included in the "Mottos" section
Does it make sense that "Second Platoon of the 3° Corporal Course 2018" is present in the "Mottos" section? Obviously someone from the Second Platoon of the 3° Corporal Course 2018 came here and made the presumption that it is notable. It seems that this entry, as well as multiple others, should be removed. As it is, this section resembles a scrapbook. Not sure at what level of organization and permanence that it becomes notable that a unit has assumed this motto, but this one certainly should go. --Petzl (talk) 08:27, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

Si vis pacem, para pactum rm para
I removed the following para:

In this case, Nazi Germany was preparing for war, because it wanted war, while Britain failed to prepare for war, because it wanted peace, making this irrelevant to the subject of the article, and section.

Moreover it was followed by matter concerning the US in 1907, which does not flow from something the inter-war years, so making the removed text doubly irrelevant.

All the best: Rich Farmbrough  18:23, 15 November 2020 (UTC).

...and the Chinese Shi Ji
This seems to have been included as if it may have been an actual source for the sentiment, in the same way as Plato. Whereas, most people in Europe were, until modern times, only dimly aware of the existence of Chinese civilisation; and, of all its constituent intellects, probably only Confucius was able to be named, but only in the capacity of a vaguely-delineated "Oriental sage". Nuttyskin (talk) 20:25, 13 May 2023 (UTC)