Talk:Sibling rivalry

Arabic saying
"Me against my brother; my brother and me against my cousin; Me, my brother, and my cousin against the stranger". There is no need of this saying to be quoted in the main introduction to the article, since it is not supposed to be an essay. Maybe it can be moved elsewhere. If moved, then there should be a citation of the original arabic text also. 59.177.67.84 (talk) 18:52, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

I think some examples should be cut
For one, in video games it lists Mario and Luigi, but except in sports games when do they ever fight or compete? It's quite possible that others are not really good examples and are only listed because they are popular sibling characters. And, should brother characters who try to kill each other be listed with the same tone as those who compete? Nekorin 01:58, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Source?
I'd like to see a source on the "Male Identical Twin" rivalry being the strongest. I myself fit the bill, and am compleatly the opposite of the proposed conflict. I also have met other twin brothers and even a few triplet brothers, all of whom were good friends who got along well. 68.49.39.32 01:50, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

It's in the Psychology Today article (Reference 1). I don't think rivalry precludes closeness; in siblings the two can easily exist side-by-side. Fionah 08:30, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Seeking psychology experts
I've added the category "Pages needign attention from Psychology experts". Specifically, the "Origins" section needs a lot of work. Fionah 09:38, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Sibling rivalry <> Sibling abuse
The two concepts are definitively different. Indeed, a major contributor to sibling abuse is that it is dismissed as "sibling rivalry". The sibling abuse page does need more clarification on this point. I'll work on that. SnappingTurtle 15:24, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Boys worse than girls?
"Studies have found that of sister/sister pairs are the closest and brother/brother pairs are the most rivalrous, with identical male twins the most competitive of all. Parental and societal expectations of males may lead to more competitiveness and a greater degree of comparison between brothers, as opposed to between sisters or opposite-sex siblings.[1]"

That seems to be completely opposite of what I've heard. Maybe I'm mixing it up with which gender is supposedly harder to raise, but I'm pretty sure the modern school of thought was that, although boys tend to be muich more physical when it comes to "rivalry," that fighting between sisters was much more harsh (stealing the other's make-up, cutting other's hair while asleep, spreading cruel rumours/leaking secrets at school, ruining the other's clothes, etc....). Fights between girls are supposedly longer-lasting than those between boys (referring to the saying "Women tear each other apart, men punch eachother and then go get a beer").

Also, I was under the impression that typically the more a pair fights, the closer they grow, so how the bond between the peaceful sisters is closer than the bond between the more rivalrous brothers, is slightly confusing.

I could be totally off base with this or confusing it with male-male vs female-female interaction rather than sibling bonds, but I'd like more than one source for that big a statment.  Irish ♣ Pearl  22:20, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Percentages
"A child shares 50% of his genes with a sibling but 100% with himself, so is only inclined to share resources if the benefit to the sibling is greater than twice the benefit to himself."

Does anyone actually believe this? If this is even remotely true, which I doubt, someone is going to have to explain it in a bit more detail.

71.102.144.27 07:21, 20 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, it's in keeping with Hamilton's rule of kin selection. This rule doesn't state that it's a conscious behavior, but rather that the behavior is in the genetic coding, selected for because of reproductive advantage. I don't think it's as simple as that myself (I'd love to see a cross-cultural study of sib rivalry before concluding this is a genetic thing in humans) but it's not really necessary to believe it personally, just to state what evolutionary psychologists believe. (Ev psych is pretty controversial anyway) Fionah 09:13, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Famous sibling rivalry instances
The lists under "Famous sibling rivalry instances" are growing long and unwieldy, and could be seen as listcruft. It could be a useful section if it was made more encyclopedic - fewer examples, more detail about overall themes rather than individual books/movies/tv shows. See for example Euthanasia, Homosexuality and Teenage pregnancy. I had a go at tidying up the bible and literature sections, but the other sections will need a bit of work.Fionah (talk) 18:12, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

I did the same with the "film and television" and "real life" sections. I'm afraid I haven't played ehough video games or read enough manga/anime to attempt the remaining sections, but at least now there's a blueprint for them. Fionah (talk) 11:35, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

In the Bible
I'm not saying anything against Christianity but souldnt the bible storys be under literature? after all they do come from a book regardless rather people belive its true or not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dontkillme (talk • contribs) 05:43, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

HO
What does the word HO mean in line 3 of this article? I find none of the items in the WP article HO give a clue and Google is no help. If it means anything it should be explained in this article. If it's vandalism it should be deleted. Spathaky (talk) 12:58, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Spathaky, good catch! I checked History, and in the version of this article of 26 December 2007, there was no mention of any HO. So now I have removed it.  Lova Falk     talk   18:28, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Trivialist vandalized the page
I added the reference about Hardcore Pawn, and Trivialist removed it. Seth and Ashley is one of the most famous known cases of sibling rivalry currently on television, on the Hardcore Pawn wikipedia page, it even links to the Sibling Rivalry page. Anyway, I'm not in the mood for an edit war, so I guess the immature Trivialist wins at his vandalism. Sad. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stopde (talk • contribs) 23:23, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I removed it becuase it was unsourced, and didn't seem all that noteworthy. Any TV show, fiction or reality, with siblings will probably feature sibling rivalry. Trivialist (talk) 07:07, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Sibling rivalry in animals
I just reverted the latest edits to "Sibling rivalry" per WP:BRD. Up until now the article's subject was about sibling rivalry in humans. H0tb0y212 added text about sibling rivalry in "non-human animals" which as long as the text about sibling rivalry in humans. This constitutes major rewriting of the article without prior discussion. Their newly added text is sourced from two dozens scientific papers and it might violate WP:SYNTH. In any case, as WP:BRD says the editor must "discuss the edit, and the reasons for the edit, on the article's talk page". --Omnipaedista (talk) 03:57, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

Hi,

We would like to inquire into why our edits to the Sibling Rivalry page continues to be removed. We are a group of students from Duke University, and our additions to the animal sibling rivalry page is for a class project on Animal Behavior. We've done a lot of research and made sure to follow Wikipedia editing and reference procedures. Please let us know what we can do to make these edits permanent or who to speak to about the matter. Would starting a new page be more appropriate?

-H0tb0y212


 * Starting a new page about Sibling rivalry in animals would certainly be more appropriate. --Omnipaedista (talk) 16:28, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

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