Talk:Siddhachal Caves

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Is there such Gudjarati or Hindi page?Xx236 (talk) 13:08, 30 November 2017 (UTC)


 * I have no clue. Perhaps, we should consider translating / interlinking if there isn't one., please guide/respond if you know something. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 13:25, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't know such languages. I'm surpised there are so few Interlinks reagrding India.Xx236 (talk) 14:01, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I am not aware about Gujarati. would be knowing better about that. -- Pankaj Jain Capankajsmilyo (talk · contribs · [//tools.wmflabs.org/xtools-ec/?user=Capankajsmilyo&project=en.wikipedia.org count])  02:38, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

Confusion: "Siddhachal Caves" and "Gopachal rock cut Jain monuments"
The two articles create significant confusion. The confusion is impacting other authors who consult Wikipedia. It can also confuse visitors.

The facts are:
 * The entire hill has been historically called Gopachal/Gopadri etc in Jain and well as non-Jain literature.
 * the walled fort occupies the top of the hill. The walled fort does not have Jain monuments cut in live-rock, all of them are outside the fort.
 * There are five different sites along the hill walls with rock cut Jain monuments. There are also some significant Jain images within the fort.
 * One of the five sites, on the eastern face of the hill, have been developed by the local Jain community and is termed "Shri Digamber Jain Atishaya Kshetra Gopachal". It is now manged by a Jain committee.
 * I am not sure why the term "Siddhachal Caves" was used. That looks inappropropriate:
 * The term Siddhachal is not used by the local Jains. The terms has been used for Shatrunjaya and is still often used. Siddhachalam is a Jain site in USA. Ramjit Jain, author of the widely used book on Jain monuments in Gwalior, regards Gwalior as a Siddha Kshetra, however I have not seen the term Siddhachal used.
 * The article and photos in Siddhachal Caves appear to cover all of five hill-side sites.

I suggest the two articles be merged and the five sites be specificely and clearly identified. Malaiya (talk) 23:28, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

Let me mention that the term "Siddhachal" (for Gwalior Urvai gate cluster) is absent from all the authoritaitve books including:


 * Bharat_Ke_Digambar_Jain_Tirth 3, Balbhadra Jain
 * Jain_sanctuaries_of_fortress_of_Gwalior, TVG Shastri
 * Ramjeet Jain, Gwalior Vaibhav Gopachal

What is the source for the term?

Malaiya (talk) 22:55, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

I note that the term "Siddhachal" is found on Google map, and it does refer to Gwalior Urvai valley statues. For now, I will go with the term and use it for the carvings with the Urvahi valley.Malaiya (talk) 23:44, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

Most of the photos in the article currently are in fact from the South-East Group, popularly referred to as Ek Patthar Ki Bawadi group. I will replace them.Malaiya (talk) 23:54, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

Faulty translation
The translators of Babar's book had made a significant mistake. A "gaz" is well known to be a "yard" i.e. 3 feet. See for example the translation of "jis ne asharfii gaj diinaa DupaTTaa meraa" at https://mrandmrs55.com/2013/04/12/inhi-logon-ne-lyrics-and-translation-lets-learn-urdu-hindi/ Malaiya (talk) 23:40, 25 August 2019 (UTC)